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    Phoronix: X.Org: "2013 Will Be The Year Of Mobile Wayland"

    The 2013 State of X.Org Report has been issued by Bart Massey on the behalf of the X.Org Foundation. There isn't too much new information out of this brief report, but they may be doing less X.Org "katamari" releases or abandon this process all together. The annual report also expresses a belief that 2013 may be the year of "Mobile Wayland."..

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMwOTI

  • #2
    "Sadly, the foundation is still truly an organizational mess with little positive action beyond sponsoring of students through the Endless Vacation of Code and organizing the annual developers conference."

    This sort of thing gets tiresome. What other positive action does the organization we need? We went through the long process of becoming a 501(c)3, every year we sponsor and organize a conference, and we fund student travel and EVoC projects. That doesn't seem like a mess to me...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by agd5f View Post
      "Sadly, the foundation is still truly an organizational mess with little positive action beyond sponsoring of students through the Endless Vacation of Code and organizing the annual developers conference."

      This sort of thing gets tiresome. What other positive action does the organization we need? We went through the long process of becoming a 501(c)3, every year we sponsor and organize a conference, and we fund student travel and EVoC projects. That doesn't seem like a mess to me...
      Become a paid sponsor of Phoronix, and i bet you can get Michael to quit calling you a mess.

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      • #4
        Michael revert your sponsoring bear unless on onext Xorg meeting there will be contest for new logo, and bring Phoronix readers logo proposals with you.

        Matter will be decided in mere minutes :P

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        • #5
          Originally posted by agd5f View Post
          "Sadly, the foundation is still truly an organizational mess with little positive action beyond sponsoring of students through the Endless Vacation of Code and organizing the annual developers conference."

          This sort of thing gets tiresome. What other positive action does the organization we need? We went through the long process of becoming a 501(c)3, every year we sponsor and organize a conference, and we fund student travel and EVoC projects. That doesn't seem like a mess to me...
          For one thing I would welcome better audio/video coverage of those conferences. Maybe online courses. Maybe bigger activity in software that sit ontop of X. And my favourite: geting graphics that do not hurt eyes for website. Working toward becoming umbrella foundation. Becoming member of Khronos, and getting people into Khronos strandard creating process (companies that back X fundation can send their employies, "community" not so much). Getting more univerities involved in OpenGL/OpenCL developments. MESA is perfect playground for testing exciting new ideas that should sit in driver/api layer (now you only invite students for developing).

          Though video from conferences is probably most pressing.
          Last edited by przemoli; 02-22-2013, 03:12 PM.

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          • #6
            Amen!

            Awesome news and hope! The X, Wayland team (Intel et al) have reinvented themselves! Linux + Wayland (as well as X on Wayland for the interim) are going to take over the world's desktops/laptops!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by przemoli View Post
              For one thing I would welcome better audio/video coverage of those conferences. Maybe online courses. Maybe bigger activity in software that sit ontop of X. And my favourite: geting graphics that do not hurt eyes for website. Working toward becoming umbrella foundation. Becoming member of Khronos, and getting people into Khronos strandard creating process (companies that back X fundation can send their employies, "community" not so much). Getting more univerities involved in OpenGL/OpenCL developments. MESA is perfect playground for testing exciting new ideas that should sit in driver/api layer (now you only invite students for developing).

              Though video from conferences is probably most pressing.
              Most useful things for X.org (except the core software development) as a non profit ever!

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              • #8
                If anyone would like to get involved, the nominations for the Xorg elections are going on now:
                http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/201...ry/055463.html

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by agd5f View Post
                  This sort of thing gets tiresome. What other positive action does the organization we need? We went through the long process of becoming a 501(c)3, every year we sponsor and organize a conference, and we fund student travel and EVoC projects. That doesn't seem like a mess to me...
                  It's that organizationally speaking, especially now as a 501(c)3 and needing more accountability, it's a mess.

                  From points within the report (in no particular order):

                  - The EVoC project has been around for years but there's been virtually no promotion of it and the first EVoC projects not even until last year (or end of Q4'11).
                  - Not even apart of GSoC last year due to "lack of quality of the student-facing ideas page."
                  - The book sprints are floated around and talked about, but have yielded very little.
                  - No new recurring sponsors / funding sources yet, even though it's been talked about for quite some time at board meetings.
                  - The logo has been talked about on and off for years but not acted upon even when there was a chance posed after Toulouse and there were going to be some "rules made for a competition."

                  And then yes, that this is the first annual report in a while because the secretary 'forgets'. And from the perspective of 'organize a conference', with XDC2011 when organizing that it seemed like a waiting game most of the time for the board to approve/decide on different things... Followed by the foundation/treasurer forgetting to make venue/catering payment timely, with belated payments for the different sponsored things seeming to be not be an isolated incident.
                  Michael Larabel
                  http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                  • #10
                    None of that is because the Foundation is dysfunctional. It's because of exactly the same thing as the X server release problems: who's actually still working on X, day-to-day? Count them; look at the activity on the mailing list. We can't even get a stable set of developers together to keep the X server going day-to-day, so who's going to write and teach the courses, mentor the students, and so on?

                    XFree86 had exactly the same problem, and that was resolved by a massive influx of new developers after the fork. To within a small margin of error, all those developers have now burnt out, moved to different projects, grown up and got day jobs and drastically reduced their non-work open source contributions, and so on. (And yes, I'm part of the problem for all of the above.)

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                    • #11
                      I'm not sure how these constitute a dysfunctional mess. X.org is a volunteer organization. The board can only do so much. Just because the results produced may not meet certain expectations doesn't mean it's a mess. Take the book sprints; there have been several. They were a lot of work to coordinate and organize. That's not dysfunction. We can't control who decides to attend. If there are no technical writers in attendance, not much happens. For GSoC, we've had the same format for the ideas page for years and some years we make it in, some years we don't. There aren't any guidelines for ideas pages that I know of. Anyone in the community can contribute to the pages if they think they need improvement. I think EVoC has been working fine. We've had several good projects and we've also had quite a few proposals that were way outside the range of projects that could considered within the purview of X.org. It could probably be promoted more, but it's hardly dysfunctional; it's worked quite will for the projects that we've sponsored. As for the funding sources and logo stuff, we are not in dire need of either at the moment, so they have not been a priority, but once again, I don't see that as dysfunction. The organization, including the board, is all volunteer based so things don't always move at the fastest pace, but I think we get fair amount accomplished overall. Just like all volunteers we have to juggle our time between work, life, and volunteering.

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                      • #12
                        Why not hire a full-time manager? Then you'd have one person's full attention, and things could move up accordingly.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by curaga View Post
                          Why not hire a full-time manager? Then you'd have one person's full attention, and things could move up accordingly.
                          Who would they manage? Or would they be writing the books, mentoring GSoC students and doing review/merges themselves?

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                          • #14
                            Well, doing everything that the foundation needs doing. Under their desired title, maybe manager was a bad word choice.

                            Things like making sure payments go out on time, making it happen that EVOC is promoted accordingly to universities worldwide, being the public face, gathering funding.


                            In short, making things happen.

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                            • #15
                              AFAIK the usual term is "Executive Director". It sounds better than "sole employee"

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