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  • Ubuntu 11.04 Is Prepping For Mesa 7.10, X Server 1.10

    Phoronix: Ubuntu 11.04 Is Prepping For Mesa 7.10, X Server 1.10

    The Ubuntu X developers are getting ready to push the Mesa 7.10 graphics library and X.Org Server 1.10 into the Natty Narwhal repository for Ubuntu 11.04. Due to API/ABI breakage, this also results in new driver builds going into Natty, and for a period of time at least where the ATI Catalyst driver will no longer be compatible with the xorg-server (though the NVIDIA binary driver should properly support Linux 2.6.37 and xorg-server 1.10 right now)...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTAxNg

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    This is the reason I sold my PoS ATI and got an nVidia.
    I don't have to wait until a kernel is 120 days old to be supported.
    Thanks, but no thanks ATI. I'll never buy your hardware ever again.

    I use Arch Linux, and get new kernels very soon after official release. And guess what, they're ALWAYS supported by nVidia, while ATI users suffer.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SyXbiT View Post
      This is the reason I sold my PoS ATI and got an nVidia.
      I don't have to wait until a kernel is 120 days old to be supported.
      Thanks, but no thanks ATI. I'll never buy your hardware ever again.

      I use Arch Linux, and get new kernels very soon after official release. And guess what, they're ALWAYS supported by nVidia, while ATI users suffer.
      And here i was thinking we will see the repost of that "Ubuntu xx.xx ships with a special beta driver released for Canonical only". Again.

      In all fairness, my GTX460 (Gigabyte, overclocked version) doesn't play well with Linux either. After a few minutes, the screen gets all messed up and everything but the mouse freezes up. Still, it's just the first hitch in 5 years or so of Linux usage.

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      • #4
        Nvidia support Linux very well, of cause. But AMD gives the choise of building a OSS driver for there hardware. This is for me a very good point to use AMD because in future, this is told so often before, you have the choise between two drivers. The oldest card I use now is an Ati X1400 with an excellent OSS radeon driver and, up to yet, poor performance. But this will getting better in future (see actual phoronix articles).
        And this is why I will choose AMD in future, too.
        I think everybody can decide for himself and without he chance to make big errors, both strategies are ok: Nvidia with the best driver so far and AMD with the choise for us to build the best (in certain ways) driver.
        I think we've nearly passed those days where display drivers under Linuy where bad.

        Cheers, ben

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        • #5
          >> In all fairness, my GTX460 (Gigabyte, overclocked version) doesn't play well with

          I've been using a PNY GTX460 with Natty for many months with no issues (using nVidia binary drivers). Sounds like you either don't have the drivers installed properly, or have a defective card.

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          • #6
            hmm I could now write the opposite about nvidia fights against opensource projects like linux by not supporting it, and that we should not buy stuff from them. But if you use Linux just because windows sucks for your tasks nvidia is maybe the better choice. If you dont want to use your card in 3-5 years (because then the support form the nvidia drivers drop and you can use it only 2d) I donīt cound nouvou because itīs made against nvidias wishes. And if you want use such that linux or other free os only if nvidia decides to allow it to you. If you want to be fully dependend on nvidias decitions what they want to allow you. Or if a new Manager maybe stopps new driver releases for linux...

            Ok I wrote about it ^^

            But what I wanted to say you actually was that you have to take what you want and if you are using opensource just because of features or free beer mentality go ahead and give away some of your freedom, but dont flame on companys who respekt the freedom (more) from the people.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 3vi1 View Post
              >> In all fairness, my GTX460 (Gigabyte, overclocked version) doesn't play well with

              I've been using a PNY GTX460 with Natty for many months with no issues (using nVidia binary drivers). Sounds like you either don't have the drivers installed properly, or have a defective card.
              The card is fine, it plays games on Windows. It's also ok if I disable the proprietary driver. I'm thinking, maybe because it's heavily overclocked, there may be some timing issues. Or maybe some leftovers from my previous card (GTX260), but I have tried disabling and enabling the proprietary driver and it didn't fix the problem. I'll probably do a fresh install when 11.04 is released and keep my fingers crossed.

              Anyway, back on topic.
              @lightbulb: You are waiting for proper open-source support for a card that is 5 years old. I wouldn't exactly count that as an advantage.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                @lightbulb: You are waiting for proper open-source support for a card that is 5 years old. I wouldn't exactly count that as an advantage.
                What exactly is NOT supported on his card?

                Let's stick to the facts, please, thank you. His card is FULLY supported, and the performance is actually very good.

                More recent hardware has OK support (up to OpenGL 2.1 atm), and some waiting is in order, that's true. But my card is less than 2 years old.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  hmm I could now write the opposite about nvidia fights against opensource projects like linux by not supporting it, and that we should not buy stuff from them. But if you use Linux just because windows sucks for your tasks nvidia is maybe the better choice. If you dont want to use your card in 3-5 years (because then the support form the nvidia drivers drop and you can use it only 2d) I donīt cound nouvou because itīs made against nvidias wishes. And if you want use such that linux or other free os only if nvidia decides to allow it to you. If you want to be fully dependend on nvidias decitions what they want to allow you. Or if a new Manager maybe stopps new driver releases for linux...

                  Ok I wrote about it ^^

                  But what I wanted to say you actually was that you have to take what you want and if you are using opensource just because of features or free beer mentality go ahead and give away some of your freedom, but dont flame on companys who respekt the freedom (more) from the people.
                  Obtaining freedom requires people to die for it. Tell me, who has died for it? Freedom has nothing to do with 1s and 0s and it is absurd to find two grown men bickering over whose software is more "free".

                  P.S. BSD licensing is more open than GPL licensing. :P

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                    What exactly is NOT supported on his card?

                    Let's stick to the facts, please, thank you. His card is FULLY supported, and the performance is actually very good.

                    More recent hardware has OK support (up to OpenGL 2.1 atm), and some waiting is in order, that's true. But my card is less than 2 years old.
                    I wouldn't know, I haven't bought ATI for a while. But he said "Ati X1400 with an excellent OSS radeon driver and, up to yet, poor performance". So...
                    Plus, if OpenGL 2.1 is considered "OK support", I rest my case.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                      But he said "Ati X1400 with an excellent OSS radeon driver and, up to yet, poor performance". So...
                      Plus, if OpenGL 2.1 is considered "OK support", I rest my case.
                      Do you know an Ati X1400 doesn't support OpenGL > 2.1?
                      ## VGA ##
                      AMD: X1950XTX, HD3870, HD5870
                      Intel: GMA45, HD3000 (Core i5 2500K)

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                      • #12
                        Ok, some words at the end:
                        There is no support for my card for windows 7, so i can't use any modern system with proprietary drivers. Its absolutly ok for me to use the open radeon driver, even if I had the choise to use the proprietary I would choose the open one. Thats why I choose OSS: Its not perfect in every kind, but I respect the work of the programmers and love to see the evoltionary process of Linux (and its better than windows, but thats another story .
                        The performance is bad, ok. But bad means I cannot play Halflife 2 under wine. Everything else, desktop related, is really fine and that is what matters for me.

                        If anybody thinks he needs performance now and only that counts, its ok. Everybody has the choise to use Nvidia or AMD (or intel) and thats a real good thing!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shining Arcanine View Post
                          Obtaining freedom requires people to die for it. Tell me, who has died for it? Freedom has nothing to do with 1s and 0s and it is absurd to find two grown men bickering over whose software is more "free".

                          P.S. BSD licensing is more open than GPL licensing. :P
                          hmm you can fight for freedom without dieing here in germany my neighbors from the east part of the country did go to street, there nobody died but they got more freedem by at the end breaking the wall.

                          you donīt have to be only seeing that idealistic. Itīs just that you donīt know what malicious feature the developer from which you get your closed software have included. And even if its only closed but no such anti-features included, they can each time include such stuff, and if you want feature abc as a private guy or even as a small company you cannot demand changes to the programm you want to use. you have to beg and hope that it is in the next version included what you want. And even if they give it to you it comes maybe with 10 new problems or anti-features what you want to revert. you cant pay some 3rd developers to change what you want even if its a very small change or change it by yourself.

                          If that is no question of freedom I donīt know what. So ok we have bigger problems as hard as it is we need a basic income, if you have no guaranted money to buy your food and for your living such things as freedom is not very important.
                          And I dont have to talk here about 3rd world countries. I talk about the "western world" aka europa and america and australia.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by darkbasic View Post
                            Do you know an Ati X1400 doesn't support OpenGL > 2.1?
                            Ooops. I stand corrected.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                              hmm you can fight for freedom without dieing here in germany my neighbors from the east part of the country did go to street, there nobody died but they got more freedem by at the end breaking the wall.

                              you donīt have to be only seeing that idealistic. Itīs just that you donīt know what malicious feature the developer from which you get your closed software have included. And even if its only closed but no such anti-features included, they can each time include such stuff, and if you want feature abc as a private guy or even as a small company you cannot demand changes to the programm you want to use. you have to beg and hope that it is in the next version included what you want. And even if they give it to you it comes maybe with 10 new problems or anti-features what you want to revert. you cant pay some 3rd developers to change what you want even if its a very small change or change it by yourself.

                              If that is no question of freedom I donīt know what. So ok we have bigger problems as hard as it is we need a basic income, if you have no guaranted money to buy your food and for your living such things as freedom is not very important.
                              And I dont have to talk here about 3rd world countries. I talk about the "western world" aka europa and america and australia.
                              I think you are missing the point that software has nothing to do with the concept of freedom. The concept of freedom involves greater things, such as not being in slavery:

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

                              Only a free person has time to obsess over such an insane thing like how "free" software is. I think you also missed the point that if you really want to think of software in terms of freedom, then you must also accept that the GPL restricts freedom by forcing people to pay for it. People do not have the freedom to make derivatives of software without providing the source code under the GPL and ultimately, that is a restriction that means that GPL licensed software is not free. If you want to talk about free software, according to the actual meaning of the words, then you need to look at BSD licensed software, which gives those who have the source code every freedom in the world as long as they leave others alone. If you do whatever you want with BSD licensed software, you are not going to have lawyers at your door suing you. That is not true with the GPL.

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