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  • What Parts Of X.Org Should Be Killed With Fire?

    Phoronix: What Parts Of X.Org Should Be Killed With Fire?

    Originally at the X.Org Developers' Summit here in Toulouse this week there was going to be a talk entitled "Kill It With Fire" where Corbin Simpson (mostly known for his work on the ATI R300 Gallium3D driver) was going to be speaking about what drivers or parts of X.Org should be eliminated from the stack. This talk though is no longer occurring, in part as Corbin is no longer in attendance; he washed his US passport in the laundry...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODYxMA

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    "Corbin is no longer in attendance; he washed his US passport in the laundry."

    This is a Microsoft conspiracy. They have people inside the CIA and were able to destroy his passport. This in an attempt to keep X.Org from modernizing itself so that it can't compete with the MS Windows GUI stack.

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    • #3
      I'm glad that it seems they're not talking about removing DDX drivers for older hardware. Believe it or not, I'm still using the Trident Cyberblade driver in one of my machines. There was an experimental 3D driver written for it but it never went official. I can live without the 3D though.

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      • #4
        :P

        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
        "Corbin is no longer in attendance; he washed his US passport in the laundry."

        This is a Microsoft conspiracy. They have people inside the CIA and were able to destroy his passport. This in an attempt to keep X.Org from modernizing itself so that it can't compete with the MS Windows GUI stack.
        Also Mono, Gnome, Novell, Miguel.

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        • #5
          RealNC is figuratively on crack. Although we all know that Michael conveniantly withhold the part where this Gnome thing running on top of X was also part of "Killing it with fire" because it's an inferior codebase. Ofcourse Novell is in bed with Microsoft so they at least support a good DE like KDE. Let's hope Microsoft will not sue other distributions with the silly "running a respectful DE"-patent

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          • #6
            > What parts of X should be killed with fire?

            > None. But on the other hand, in this other project called the kernel...

            The presentation wouldn't have been very on-topic, looks to me :P

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
              Also Mono, Gnome, Novell, Miguel.
              This doesn't help. Mono is MS .net implementiation, Miguel works for MS, Novell has a pact with MS, so your and similar people tactics of understimating things simply won't help.

              http://www.novell.com/linux/ximian.html

              You know what ximian was/is, don't you?


              What parts of X should be killed with fire?

              None. But on the other hand, in this other project called the kernel...
              I'd kill non-KMS support where KMS support is available.

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              • #8
                What parts to kill seems very implementation dependent. Knowing nothing about the specifics I cannot say. If Xorg is well designed then more code shouldn't necessarily get in the way. If it's badly designed, then rearrange the structure so that you don't have to decide which parts to kill in order to make the rest of it not suck.

                I'm having enough trouble understanding X from the outside let alone the inside. I'm much more excited about the announcement somebody is working on organizing the documentation TBH.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Chewi View Post
                  I'm glad that it seems they're not talking about removing DDX drivers for older hardware. Believe it or not, I'm still using the Trident Cyberblade driver in one of my machines.
                  And I'm using the mga driver with an old pci based millenium G200.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by devius View Post
                    And I'm using the mga driver with an old pci based millenium G200.
                    Haha yeah, mine's not quite that old. I almost bought that card... in 1999.

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                    • #11
                      replacing classic fb with drmfb+KMS would be sweeet.

                      there is, however, not a cool thing with KMS i've noticed recently - when you have several displays with different resolution attached, everything rendered into small "console window" by the size of smallest display.
                      it looks like crap if there is an old tv attached.
                      not cool at all if it becomes normal for everything.

                      "A KMS mga driver that correctly sets up both heads, and handles the weird tiling setup, would be an instant win for all twelve of us in the world with these chipsets."(c)
                      funny stuff and true.

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                      • #12
                        There should be no hurry in removing older parts of X.Org, especially drivers. Most users haven't even tested Gallium3D so it could not be told that classic Mesa DDX should be removed. In my case for example UMS drivers worked better than KMS (r300) when Kubuntu delivered KMS and for KMS I had to make some workarounds to meet my needs with multiseat configuration.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                          "Corbin is no longer in attendance; he washed his US passport in the laundry."

                          This is a Microsoft conspiracy. They have people inside the CIA and were able to destroy his passport. This in an attempt to keep X.Org from modernizing itself so that it can't compete with the MS Windows GUI stack.
                          Originally posted by BlackStar
                          Also Mono, Gnome, Novell, Miguel.
                          I know you two are trying to be funny, but it was just revealed in another thread that Phoronix is plagued with Microsoft ads. What somebody on MS payroll is exactly doing on a Linux conference trying to get Xorg developers drunk I leave for the most astute readers.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dfx. View Post
                            there is, however, not a cool thing with KMS i've noticed recently - when you have several displays with different resolution attached, everything rendered into small "console window" by the size of smallest display.
                            it looks like crap if there is an old tv attached.
                            not cool at all if it becomes normal for everything.
                            Yeah, I've noticed it, too. So I've had to put script with xrandr commands at X start to properly set display resolutions and arrange displays.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dfx. View Post
                              there is, however, not a cool thing with KMS i've noticed recently - when you have several displays with different resolution attached, everything rendered into small "console window" by the size of smallest display.
                              true. I have a 720p projector connected - it's not even on (power cord unplugged), but somehow it's still detected. Even if it was on it couldn't possibly display anything: there's two DVI monitors attached, and evergreen can't do 2x DVI + 1x HDMI at the same time.
                              Yet it still lowers the usable console window.

                              I don't care much (there's still more text than without KMS/FB), but it is a bit weird.

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