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  • More Backporting Madness: X Server 1.8 To 1.7

    Phoronix: More Backporting Madness: X Server 1.8 To 1.7

    With Ubuntu 10.04 LTS shipping with the Linux 2.6.32 kernel rather than the latest stable release (the Linux 2.6.33 kernel), there has been some back-porting of code to this older release. The Lucid Lynx is using the 2.6.32 kernel since this is a Long-Term Support release and so Canonical and the Ubuntu kernel team has been more conservative this time around...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODA5OA

  • #2
    This could get ugly...
    Maybe they should plan on pushing the release date to May or June?

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    • #3
      This is madness

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      • #4
        it is waste of time....

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        • #5
          I have one machine that is still running 8.04. I skipped 8.10 because I heard lousy things about it. Skipped 9.04 because I didn't want to do incremental upgrades, and skipped 9.10 for much the same reason, and because 10.04 was just around the corner anyway. Have been looking forward to 10.04 so I could upgrade this older system in a single step and remain on a solid LTS release. But 10.04 is sounding less stable with all the back porting.

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          • #6
            couldnt they have put effort in the X server 1.8 branch as a hole instead of working for themselves? maybe i dont get the situation right.. all desicions when what program release will be due out, have been made far before oktober last year, havent they?
            i wonder if the fglrx driver made this choice come up by some amount. cause i didnt get the reason (or this quote) at all, as im not a native english speaker. maybe someone can explain please?






            P.S.: im sry for having accused Canonica/Ubuntu for not being too much a part of linux community. now i know they are not as they are a profit oriented company (in some way).

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            • #7
              Despite all this backporting, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is a great release and running better than I would have ever expected. I still think they should have gone with Xserver 1.8 and Linux 2.6.33 (and maybe Mesa 7.8) though...

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              • #8
                Ubuntu urges other distros to pick a common, stable base, so that Linux can become an easier target for commercial businesses. What would they tell them now if they went ahead and pulled the latest and greatest?

                So now they're cheating and started to backport stuff while still claiming they're on "kernel 2.6.32" and "X.Org 1.7."

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                • #9
                  It would have been better if they had made a normal Ubuntu release and just tagged it as a pre-LTS release. Then in half a year when everything has stabilized they could switch the label to full LTS and start promoting it.

                  The ones who needs stable releases would get a platform which had been thoroughly tested. The ones who wants to live closer to the edge would also gain since each and every release would bring something new.

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                  • #10
                    So how many HACKports is that now?
                    They expect this to be stable somehow?

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                    • #11
                      Famous last words: "We know what we're doing."

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                      • #12
                        I have no idea what this means from a programming angle but it sounds to me like a big bloody mess.
                        Someone please prove me otherwise.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SkyHiRider View Post
                          I have no idea what this means from a programming angle but it sounds to me like a big bloody mess.
                          Someone please prove me otherwise.
                          They're the ones who're going to have to support it. I imaging kernel, xorg maintainers are going to tell Ubuntu users to take a running jump when they ask for help

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                          • #14
                            Tough one. By doubling the efforts they can get more nitty gritty with both sets of code and maybe somehow end up with .32 being better than it would have been otherwise which would lead to a better .33 and .34. Fedora 13 alpha is rediculously stable though and I've been using it daily driver for 3 days now. They really are getting too good at what they do. It's gotta pick a resting platform somewhere sometime but it's all moving too fast.
                            I think some good can come from sticking with .32 working that code over nice and good in external programs and then sucking that improved code into .34 and just leaving .33 as another testing workground.
                            1.8 is a hell of x-server. I don't see them having too much hassle with it. I've only had to downgrade 1 x-server out of the huge flurry of x-redo's the last 3 months and just by judging bugzilla nobodies having too much hassle with it. Every rebase seems as good or better than the last. You're gonna have to break things much worse than has happened to get a good scare going on this move.

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                            • #15
                              Michael, please stop spreading this sort of misinformation.

                              Now there's a possibility we could see the same sort of back-porting occur with the X.Org Server. The Ubuntu X team has already brought some of the udev input changes over to their X.Org Server 1.7.x code-base due to the deprecation of the FreeDesktop.org HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) in Ubuntu 10.04.
                              False. Ubuntu's X server contains an early draft of the udev patch that is in now way in line with how upstream has finally decided to solve the problem of device configuration.


                              Timo Aaltonen has now published a patch to Ubuntu-X that brings most of the X Server 1.8 features back atop their 1.7 server.
                              False. xorg.conf.d support is only a small part of 1.8, a few hundred lines of code, really.

                              This includes support for the xorg.conf.d, the new input class attributes, proper udev support (the currently back-ported support isn't the same as upstream),
                              These are all pretty much the same thing.

                              and various other patches that address different bugs.
                              Source?

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