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  • #16
    Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
    They're the ones who're going to have to support it. I imaging kernel, xorg maintainers are going to tell Ubuntu users to take a running jump when they ask for help
    It's exactly the opposite actually. What's currently in lucid bears little resemblance to what upstream is shipping in either 1.7 or 1.8.

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    • #17
      lols at the cluelessness.

      You do realise RHEL is all backports all the time? its highly stable and makes a lot of money.

      You don't honestly expect the RHEL5 2.6.18 kernel is just upstream kernel + some stable patches?

      not sure why you'd expect Ubuntu LTS to be able to be any different. Its all about the QE they do and nothing to do with the code they backport.

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      • #18
        Last time I tried to build a RHEL kernel, everything from later versions seemed it was missing. So from the surface, it looks like that: 2.6.18 with some security and *minor* feature patches.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
          Famous last words: "We know what we're doing."
          We'll see. The same about moving some buttons to the left which is stupid. There are many complains about this, but it seems Canonical doesn't care what their users want... It seems also many reports will die at launchpad rather then go upstream "thanks" to their backporting madness.

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          • #20
            Debian stable is stable and old.
            Debian bleeding edge is bleeding edge.
            Something is missing in between and that is Ubuntu; mostly stable but also new features.

            I guess we'll have to wait and see. But make no mistake; Ubuntu is because of its nature not about helping other projects evolve and grow and it is not about fixing bugs upstream for stability. Instead, Ubuntu is all about taking the 'now' and bringing it to the end-user by means of some (in this extreme amount of) ductape.

            It is the experience, and thus the promotion, of Desktop Linux and that is what Ubuntu is contributing to the Linux ecosystem.

            And now I'm going to get some sleep because it's too fscking late...

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            • #21
              Backport or not. I just tried it on a livecd and I must say. IMPRESSIVE 2d performance on my hd4860 :-)

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              • #22
                Then I'd say you're easy to impress.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                  Debian stable is stable and old.
                  Debian bleeding edge is bleeding edge.
                  Something is missing in between and that is Ubuntu; mostly stable but also new features.
                  Exactly.

                  I guess we'll have to wait and see.
                  I've been using Lucid for 2 weeks now and really the only thing to complain about is the quality of the binary fglrx driver, but that's something that affects every distro.

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                  • #24
                    I do love the X.org edgers repository. Nouveau 3D in an easily installed package! The only downside is that it breaks every other update. But that's why it's experimental crack for technology junkies.

                    As for all the backporting, I'll let them decide what's best for them. If they think they can handle the workload, then by all means, do it. It's difficult for upstreaming bugs though... the bug squad must know their packages intimately for this all to work.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                      Then I'd say you're easy to impress.
                      Gallium doubled 2d performance on nvidia cards over nv driver. If that doesn't impress you. Nothing will. I can only imagine what the ATI group is doing with real help and regular information dumps from ATI.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Remco View Post
                        I do love the X.org edgers repository. Nouveau 3D in an easily installed package! The only downside is that it breaks every other update. But that's why it's experimental crack for technology junkies.

                        As for all the backporting, I'll let them decide what's best for them. If they think they can handle the workload, then by all means, do it. It's difficult for upstreaming bugs though... the bug squad must know their packages intimately for this all to work.
                        I don't think it has anything to do with nouveau. I think they are just wanting to dump HAL for udev because they don't want hal hanging around for 2 more years. I think they are just going to put all the udev changes from 1.8 into 1.7.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Hephasteus View Post
                          Gallium doubled 2d performance on nvidia cards over nv driver. If that doesn't impress you. Nothing will. I can only imagine what the ATI group is doing with real help and regular information dumps from ATI.
                          I'm gonna get impressed when I can have a Linux desktop that performs better compared with what I get when I use Windows and OS X. Right now, it's not even close.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                            Then I'd say you're easy to impress.
                            Well does 'better' / same 2d performance as in windows 7 impress you? Thats what I got. I have the 'old' windows 7 RC installed, and its 2d acceleration is comparable with the one I get in Lucid.

                            The only thing which is still a bit sloppy is flash (big surprise).

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                            • #29
                              Lol I tried KDE 4.4.1 on a four year old Dell business desktop with a Pentium dual core on Fedora with the experimental driver package an compositing Kwin to the max and it's so blazingly fast that it gives Win7 and even Mac OS X a run for its money.

                              If X manages to get even faster drivers than my brain can't keep up with it.

                              I am not going to comment on DE's, my point is that mesa drivers are already fast as hell!

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                              • #30
                                I think two opposite prevailing views are in conflict here:

                                1. A Long Term Support (LTS) release should be stable
                                2. An LTS should be pretty current when released, otherwise it will become archaic during its lifetime


                                I also think these two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. In fact, the reason they seem contradictory is based on a ridiculous claim, IMHO:

                                3. A distribution release can be stable from day one.


                                You need to let a month or two go, and then get the release plus the first batch of updates and fixes. Alternatively, get it from a vendor (Dell, HP, System 76, Zareason, etc) who will have gone some extensive testing on the hardware they are selling you.

                                So, in short, the focus should be to release something current, which would mean, among other things, all this crazy backporting would never come into play.

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