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  • #16
    Originally posted by bugmenot View Post
    Open Source means more than just writing a driver. You have to update your driver for new kernel / x releases and so it's much work. Without a few developers this is not possible.
    You can have that one of two ways... The way you allude to or have it such that people that own the device can take up the challenge. Either, though, requires access to useful technical data to drive the 3D portions of the chipsets.

    Via, you have to hire a few developers or you can give up in the linux marked share. Your closed driver don't work either here. Nobody can take you serious any more and that's bad.
    I do believe that AMD doesn't dedicate their Linux developers to the FOSS drivers (as that would take them away from fglrx...). I think Intel's the only one devoting full efforts on FOSS support from their own staff and funds. All I would ask of VIA/S3 is to quit being so schizoid on this stuff and either make drivers like NVidia, do the AMD play, or the Intel one- it doesn't matter which, just pick one. Honestly, I think they'd benefit the most from the AMD or the Intel move, myself. Only one requires what you demand- and you're actually asking much more than most of the players are actually giving.

    If you are serious then hire luc and a few more devs and let them write in their blogs about what they are working on. Develop your drivers in the public, with a git repository on fd.org. It's clear that releasing documentation is an expensive business and that you don't want to spend much money on this. If it's relly impossible to release specs then only "your" developers can work on your drivers. But that's the only way sucessfull driver development on linux works.
    If they were honestly serious, they'd do more than they have. They still haven't gotten a single clue, even though they purportedly hired one with Harald Welte. They've given out a smattering of what is needed (and more than they had in the past with the UniChrome and Chrome9 chipsets)- but nowhere near enough to do 3D realistically and not covering any of their modern chipsets. People WILL develop stuff for the credible and the available GPUs in the lineup if you provide data- whether or not you supply people to help do the work. The problem is that they're hung up on protecting their IP (which is silly, considering that Intel and AMD seem to be more than happy to hand out info on their stuff they actually own...) and they're unwilling to divulge anything useful or commit people to make either open OR closed drivers people will use.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by JeanPaul145 View Post
      To buy something else purely because you don't want to support the monopoly is idealistic but foolish.
      Buy something else because it is superior technically if you will, otherwise you'll be throwing your money away in my opinion.
      Then...whyfore do you use Linux? If you can answer that one to my satisfaction without circular arguments, I might buy the line you just threw down there. Otherwise, you might want to re-evaluate your remarks...

      There's tons of reasons- idealism is a good one in many cases because you have what you have in the Linux world today because of such 'foolish' things, from people like myself that bought and used Linux because it was a diamond in the rough and it wasn't a Windows play.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by yoshiki2 View Post
        Bruce.. what is the actual situation? Can I expect my lenovos12 to run 3d games? when will that be possible?
        Also, when can I expect to buy a 12 inches netbook with via nano 3000 and vn1000?
        thanks
        Hello Yoshiki San:
        Honest speaking, the status of VIA in Linux is
        1. UniChrome: 2D/3D/DRM source code has been released in public since last year.
        2. Chrome: 2D/DRM source code has been released in public too. Unfortunately, the open source 3D driver still unavailable. Only 3D driver only in bin format. This is in the our TODO list.

        Regarding S12 to run 3D game, it depends on which 3D game you like to play. I'll suggest to play the light game. Which distro are you using on S12?

        Regards

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BruceChang View Post
          Thank you all of your comment and education.
          "Education"? Hmm. Okay, if you want to say it like that. It would be great if VIA would just DO something instead of nothing, and release the complete (!) necessary specifications for writing a driver or at least a working driver under a GPL or LGPL license.
          To the day the very old CLE266 is not even completely working. No EXA no 3d no MPEG4 (if the HW is even capable of doing so).
          Teaming up with openchrome hackers is a good idea since this is at the moment the only halfway working driver.

          But thanks Bruce for finally having some official people from VIA talking with the users and developer community.

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