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  • #16
    http://skeggsb.livejournal.com/568.html

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    • #17
      Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
      The nouvou [sic] driver makes also not that much sense. Because nvidia looses itīs market share and it would be better do support that firms that work with the community instead of pushing freely nvidia with such a driver and "the better linux experince with nvidia hardware" the free software movement is now strong enough to ignore such a firm who dont like to work with us. The user gets that experince who nvidia wish to give if that feeling (closed source) driver is not right or users have problems with it (upgrading...) most people would see the guilty in this game.

      It takes even the presure from Nvidia to release their specs if somebody makes with unnecessary hard work by reverse engineering a good driver for their hardware.
      That statement makes no sense. You do realize that we reverse engineered the R300 and had a somewhat working 3D driver for it long before AMD released docs, right? There was much less buzz around that project than there was/is about nouveau, but we delivered. And it didn't stop AMD from releasing docs.

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      • #18
        Not very true

        I can't speak to RadeonHD, but to add to what Dave Airlie and Drogoran posted, what you write about nouveau is fairly majorly untrue. Ben Skeggs (one of the lead nouveau developers, and a Red Hat employee) debunks your article here:

        http://skeggsb.livejournal.com/568.html

        I add to that some more evidence...

        http://tinyurl.com/yld7zso

        that's the list of bugs closed in nouveau in the last six months, and that's just Fedora reports - upstream reports and reports handled in other distros will add more.

        Also I'd add an observation: when drivers make architecture changes, the news and comment sites kill them for being 'unstable' or introducing regressions (see: intel)...apparently, when drivers don't make major architecture changes but instead concentrate on fixing bugs and adding badly-needed functionality like working suspend/resume support, the news and comment sites declare them dead. Heh.

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        • #19
          sabriah: as kano said, Windows 7 driver support is actually pretty good. I've run it on a couple of systems and it's supported all hardware (except the media keys on an Acer laptop) out of the box. It's almost as good as Linux in that regard, now.

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          • #20
            Oh well. I had hoped for a long time that noveau would bring a free 3d for my older nvidia cards (Geforce2 and 3) but now ... well, I'm having some ATIs now which save me some power while even having more 2d and 3d capabilities. Though both are R600 based which means support is not 100% yet.
            I think it's about time for radeonHD and xf86-video-ati forces to merge for the greater good. xf86-video-ati is going to support all the R600 and up anyways and in some parts they're even further. I doubt Novell would gain anything with radeonHD alone.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by AdamW View Post
              sabriah: as kano said, Windows 7 driver support is actually pretty good. I've run it on a couple of systems and it's supported all hardware (except the media keys on an Acer laptop) out of the box. It's almost as good as Linux in that regard, now.
              And, I guess 'they' don't need to reverse engineer anything...

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