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    Phoronix: The X.Org 7.5 Release Day, But With No Release

    The latest X.Org 7.5 release plans placed the 17th of August as the release date for this next major X.Org update along with the release of X Server 1.7. However, to no surprise, this is not going to happen today...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzQ2Mg

  • #2
    If it's not going to make it into Ubuntu 9.10 and the other members of the fall wave, they've got another six months before a release even matters. I say cut 'em some slack.

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    • #3
      I've only been loosely following this issue, but was there even any significant communication (such as an announcement on a mailing list with a revised timeline) as to why this delay took place? If not, isn't that the real issue at hand here? Considering how crucial this software is to the end-user GUI experience, and the amount of turmoil and instability that's been recently plaguing graphics in general, I would expect them to be more on top of things than ever. And sure, they get six more months, but those would have been much better spent fixing bugs, working on other features, making more architectural changes, etc.

      I may be way off base here (sorry if I am), but I don't recall reading that much about why things are so held up. Even the tone of the Phoronix coverage has consistently suggested that the whole situation is somewhat ambiguous and there are no clear plans for how things will proceed.

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      • #4
        "With X Server 1.7 running behind schedule it's already been rejected from Ubuntu 9.10 and from OpenSuSE 11.2. It will likely be dropped from other distributions refreshing this fall too."

        Another reason I'm happy to prefer Gentoo and Arch, heh. They don't have those (IMO stupid) issues.

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        • #5
          I really hope the Xorg team decide to move away from a time based release schedule and switch to a feature based one

          It would stop these boring and demoralising stories on Phoronix

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
            "With X Server 1.7 running behind schedule it's already been rejected from Ubuntu 9.10 and from OpenSuSE 11.2. It will likely be dropped from other distributions refreshing this fall too."

            Another reason I'm happy to prefer Gentoo and Arch, heh. They don't have those (IMO stupid) issues.
            When it does debut, you will be able to find it for suse in the build service, just like every other major package.

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            • #7
              I really like it that Phoronix posts so much articles about X and everything related to graphics. I like to stay up to date and that's why I keep reading Phoronix.

              However it's written with a tone that reads along the lines of "I payed for it. I want customer support, NOW! Let me speak to your manager!"

              Don't get me wrong; I like to keep getting this kind of news, but maybe next time you could also write it more informative like "Sadly X Server 1.7 doesn't make it in time for major distributions" and that's it. I like to be informed but I don't like to see the X devs getting such disrespect from a website that doesn't contribute anything to the project itself :/

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              • #8
                Heh, starts seeming like the only Fall distro likely to ship with X server 1.7 is Fedora.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
                  Heh, starts seeming like the only Fall distro likely to ship with X server 1.7 is Fedora.
                  I wouldn't count on it yet.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                    I wouldn't count on it yet.
                    Well, Fedora's already having a pre-release in Rawhide. It will extremely likely ship with another pre-release that's just closer to 1.7 and eventually move to 1.7 when it comes out. No big deal for Fedora users...
                    Edit: If you meant other distros might ship 1.7 too, then I misunderstood.
                    Last edited by nanonyme; 08-18-2009, 07:36 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                      I really like it that Phoronix posts so much articles about X and everything related to graphics. I like to stay up to date and that's why I keep reading Phoronix.

                      However it's written with a tone that reads along the lines of "I payed for it. I want customer support, NOW! Let me speak to your manager!"

                      Don't get me wrong; I like to keep getting this kind of news, but maybe next time you could also write it more informative like "Sadly X Server 1.7 doesn't make it in time for major distributions" and that's it. I like to be informed but I don't like to see the X devs getting such disrespect from a website that doesn't contribute anything to the project itself :/
                      I suggest you check out http://www.radeonhd.org. Phoronix also covers the X devs when the news is good as well. Like the old saying goes "Can't stand the heat? Then get out of the kitchen."

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                      • #12
                        Sad

                        It is really sad that none of the major distributions are stepping up and helping get xorg back on track. Right now, it seems to me that the driver developers just do their thing and never touch xorg-server either. This is fine as it may not be their forte.

                        I would really love to see a major distribution or even a hardware vendor step up and pay someone to work on getting xorg moving. I don't think there are any developers right now that work fulltime on xorg-server/core.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by murraytony View Post
                          It is really sad that none of the major distributions are stepping up and helping get xorg back on track.
                          Depends on your point of view. I consider RHEL to be a major distribution and they're actively investing in X.org development. Let alone their test release Fedora seems to be getting updates from new X.org versions just fine. Perhaps the real issue is that most binary distros are trying to be both conservative and bleeding-edge at the same time and then they're puzzled when it doesn't work?
                          Originally posted by murraytony View Post
                          I would really love to see a major distribution or even a hardware vendor step up and pay someone to work on getting xorg moving.
                          RHEL is already doing this. Maybe you're just expecting too much? You could probably volunteer as a developer if it's proceeding too slowly in your opinion.
                          Edit: There's probably some other distros doing the same which I'm not familiar with. Software development takes its time, you can't rush it.
                          Last edited by nanonyme; 08-19-2009, 10:27 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                            I suggest you check out http://www.radeonhd.org
                            Whoa! Is that site still alive? I thought it turned into Phoronix :-o
                            Awesome, thnx for telling me

                            EDIT: Ah, just IRC logs
                            Last edited by V!NCENT; 08-26-2009, 11:33 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
                              Depends on your point of view. I consider RHEL to be a major distribution and they're actively investing in X.org development. Let alone their test release Fedora seems to be getting updates from new X.org versions just fine. Perhaps the real issue is that most binary distros are trying to be both conservative and bleeding-edge at the same time and then they're puzzled when it doesn't work?
                              RHEL is already doing this.
                              I'm not talking about including xorg in Distributions or fixing bugs in Xorg. I'm talking about leadership. Xorg doesn't seem to have any (admittedly from an outsiders view) and seems to be moving down the road but no one is at the wheel.

                              Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
                              Maybe you're just expecting too much? You could probably volunteer as a developer if it's proceeding too slowly in your opinion.
                              This is such a cop-out answer. Yes, people should strive to contribute to projects as much as they can and want to. But a person's skills don't always allow them to contribute at the highest level. There are only a few people that have the skills to do this, companies that rely on Xorg should seek out these people and make it easier for them to do what they love to do. That's all I'm saying.

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