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  • #16
    What bothers me most is the fglrx driver locking up the whole INtrepid amd64 system (not just X) when I watch a video with compiz enabled. Radeonhd is no solution (yet) either, since the support for my card (a Radeon HD4870) is limited to EXA and Xv. In any case, no useable 3D support yet.

    To sum it up: if I forget to switch back to metacity before watching a video, I can reboot my pc.

    *Starting to reminisce about the good ol' windows days*

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    • #17
      From what I understand, the bug which cause corrupted/not updated graphic is due to a change in Nvidia driver.

      Prio to 180.*, the driver used shared memory but not the card memory for pixmap, that cause serious performance problem with 2D graphic (you can test this by scrolling in Firefox). In 180.*, they fixed this by using a cache for Pixmap, but the problem is that when this cache get full, the windows may get corrupted when it was first painted. And this is only happen if compiz is in use, of course.

      Aside from the problem with Compiz, nvidia driver work fine with my laptop 8600M card

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      • #18
        I don't have any problems with latest nvidia driver nor did with earlier versions, I use Arch Linux with latest vanilla kernel compiled, 8800GT - 9600GT - 260GTX, all run fine . 2D is a bit too slow, it's much better with nouevau. I have tried KDE 4.2 but it's choppy on both nvidia and nouveau drivers, other DE and games run fine.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Nille_kungen View Post
          I can't use ati catalyst driver after 8.12
          I can't get opengl to work on slackware 12.2
          And many slackware users have the same problem with 9.1 and 9.2
          http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...?highlight=ati
          http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...?highlight=ati

          I think that not being able to use the driver at all is an greater bug then an minor graphics corruption.
          I tend not to get hung-up on a graphics driver not installing.

          Case in point for me is Mepis 7 and Mepis 8. The install script that I had been using up until Catalyst 9.1 suddenly started failing with Catalyst 9.2, and the 64bit install of Fglrx drivers continually failed during the entire Mepis 8 beta series.

          However, I would be hard-pressed to refer to an installation problem as an error with the driver itself. Several different factors can affect whether or not a particular driver will run, such as the system architecture (i386 / i586 / i86 / x86-64 / ppc and so on), the kernel version, and the x-server version.

          While I think it's useful for driver vendors to be aware of issues with their installers, I think AMD's collaboration with Phoronix (Phorogit) is the right way to go about solving installer issues.

          The biggest fly in the ointment, at least on the Debian side, is that Ubuntu has a proven track record of ignore Debian compatibility, and many software vendors seem to get hung up on providing Ubuntu support, rather than simply providing DEBIAN support and making sure Ubuntu stays compatible with Debian.

          It's of little surprise to me then that I run into installation problems with Debian (Pure) based distributions when the maintainer of the packages or scripts is working on a deliberate fork.

          Now, maybe the Debian problems could be solved if Ubuntu developers focused on maintaining Debian compatibility.

          However, I'm not sure bringing what amounts to be political and personal issues into a discussion involving whether or not an installed driver functions as expected in an installed enviroment.

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          • #20
            Well if it was an packager bug then it would be ok.
            But even when i try to install it without building packages it doesn't work

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            • #21
              Do you really think the driver is different when you use Ubuntu instead of Debian packageing option? Just a little hint: the result will be the SAME. As the package names are different you just have to completely uninstall the other packages before. Ubuntu packageing needs dkms which is not in Debian by default. No big deal, because that package is for all archs and can be easyly fetched from Ubuntu:

              http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/dkms/download

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              • #22
                Originally posted by oblivious_maximus View Post
                The 180.xx drivers were a lot faster with KDE4 than the 177s and earlier versions, but it was still a pretty slow experience trying to use KDE4 with my 8600GT. I'm sure KDE4(and/or its dependencies) is partly to blame, but Nvidia's blob surely is also. One eight oh - STILL TOO SLOW. Ultimately, the slight performance increase was not enough to offset the bugs in the 180.xx series - loved that flashing red checkerboard on top of every non-fullscreen video I played. Oh and broken suspend too, that was so awesome.

                So I'm back to KDE3 (again, not 100% thanks to Nvidia - but still, in good part), 177.82, and the same old never-gonna-get-fixed, totally-absent-for-no-good-reason TV out overscan control. If that had been fixed in 180.xx I would have put up with the other bugs. It's definitely the bug I hate the most, only it's not a bug so much as it was a decision some fucker at Nvidia made. The new Windows release doesn't need that anymore - so fuck the users of every other OS in existence right?

                Does fglrx support running multiple X servers yet? Totally despise that one too.

                In summary then, what I hate most is having Windows paradigms forced upon me. I shouldn't be forced to choose between Big Desktop and whatever other mode they offer when X.org offers the ability to run more than one Xserver. The fact that Vista doesn't need overscan controls shouldn't mean that users of every other fucking OS (other Windows versions too!) get the shaft.

                There's 10s of millions of Linux users! Isn't that enough to get some fucking respect already?? Sadly I know the answer, and it's no.
                actually, the blame is practically solely on drivers..

                while 180.xx does make 2d for KDE4 almost good, its still far from even aproaching the speed of software rendering..

                I tried to install a VM with KDE 4.2, and to my (not really so great) surprise, with KVM + debian + X with vesa driver + KDE 4.2, it was 100% smooth, something which nvidia cannot do even on their most highend card, and this was simple software rendering..

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                • #23
                  Nvidia 7600 - Nvidia Driver works beautifully, couldnt ask for a better driver

                  ATi HD4870 - ATi driver doesnt work for shit. Doesnt even load. Just get a blank screen and the system is frozen. Worst driver in the world, but then again, you all knew that.

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                  • #24
                    intel driver severe screen corruption with compiz and blur plugin

                    I like to have the `blurī plugin in compiz enabled for translucent terminal windows. This gaussian blur makes text in the terminal much more readable than without because it makes it so much easier to tell foreground text from background text.

                    However, on my Eeepc 1000H it results in immediate screen corruption or even total lockup. This laptop has a gma 945 chipset I think. I think Michael Larabel has a 1000H too, am I right? He sure does a lot of testing on it.

                    Anyway, blur results in screen corruption and even locking up X in the Intel driver. It took me a little while to figure out which of the many compiz I had enabled was causing the problem.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by cruiseoveride View Post
                      Nvidia 7600 - Nvidia Driver works beautifully, couldnt ask for a better driver

                      ATi HD4870 - ATi driver doesnt work for shit. Doesnt even load. Just get a blank screen and the system is frozen. Worst driver in the world, but then again, you all knew that.
                      nope. don't know that. I do know that a 4650 of mine perked right up with the 9.2 drivers, and I do know that a 7900 GT of mine required running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg every single time after installing the nvidia driver to set the correct resolution and refresh rate (although Debian has for some bone-headed reason removed one of the best tools ever created from Lenny)

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                      • #26
                        The refreshrate options are not used by default, only screen res. Nvidia uses by default EDID infos from monitor.

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                        • #27
                          No big errors with nvidia driver

                          Hello,

                          I have 4 machines with opensuse 11.1 installed (2.6.27.19 and KDE 4.2).
                          MSI Wind (intel GME 450): Pretty good performance for that type of computer. Compositing works awesome. But if I shut it down, the vt switch doesn't work and I see only fullscreen graphic corruption.
                          While system runs I can switch vts, the problem only appears if I shut it down.

                          Acer Extensa Notebook (intel GMA): Good performance too. I had very bad opengl system lockups but after a driver update they were gone.

                          MSI X48C (Nvdia GF 8800GTS with 180.35): No problems at all. GL, Compositing, VT switching. No lockups or something like this. Window resizing is slow. If I logout and relogin GTK apps won't work and I have to reboot. But I don't know if this is an error of nvidia.

                          Abit P45 (GF 9600 with 180.35): No problems. I had lockups on video playback and Xid errors but there gone.

                          So overall I'm quite happy with linux graphix at the moment. The qt4.5 dependency from opensuse are making plasma ugly on my intel notebooks. On my nvidia PCs nearly all looks fine under qt4.5.
                          But thats opensuses fault...

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                          • #28
                            ACPI sleep bugs suck with my Linux lappy

                            My laptop has an ATI 200m card built in. And it seems that about every 3 months either a new driver will come out or a new kernel that breaks ACPI suspend or Hibernate. This holds true to the latest fglrx driver 9.2



                            sigh

                            oh and honorable mention goes to misc opengl extensions that are missing or broken (PBO)

                            Thanks

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                            • #29
                              I own a GTX 260. As you might know, the card is really power-hungry and because of that, NVidia added two powersaving modes. Problem is: As soon as you configure it with two output-monitors, it won't ever enter any of the powersaving modes.
                              NVidia is aware, promises a solution "some time in the future".
                              Last edited by Troggy; 03-01-2009, 04:56 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Redeeman View Post
                                actually, the blame is practically solely on drivers..

                                while 180.xx does make 2d for KDE4 almost good, its still far from even aproaching the speed of software rendering..

                                I tried to install a VM with KDE 4.2, and to my (not really so great) surprise, with KVM + debian + X with vesa driver + KDE 4.2, it was 100% smooth, something which nvidia cannot do even on their most highend card, and this was simple software rendering..
                                Yes, those performance problems aren't fixed for about one year! Nvidia really sucks like no one in this case.

                                Fglrx crashed X sometimes onmy PC, but nvidia blobs crashed entire system... No more nvidia for me.

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