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  • #16
    Originally posted by gufide View Post
    I definitely wait for that monkey suit
    Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBML6zuUpK0

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
      That's because Gnome is irresponsible by beginning such a huge migration after a stable release series started.

      KDE is doing the right thing: A huge migration as part of a new major version. Maybe Plasma 2.0.0 won't be completely Wayland-capable but the major groundwork has been laid and complete Wayland support will be nothing but a few bugfixes.
      "KF5 will have Wayland support [. . .] on par with Microsoft Windows or OS X support."

      "For the workspaces itís more complex. Our aim for the first release of Plasma Next has never been to fully support Wayland or do the migration to Wayland."

      "As we are entering the alpha release state shortly we can be quite certain that the Plasma desktop shell will not support Wayland."

      KDE. Right. GNOME. Wrong. Grunt.

      And whatever little mental jumps you have to do to justify that are a-OK.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jern View Post
        "KF5 will have Wayland support [. . .] on par with Microsoft Windows or OS X support."

        "For the workspaces itís more complex. Our aim for the first release of Plasma Next has never been to fully support Wayland or do the migration to Wayland."

        "As we are entering the alpha release state shortly we can be quite certain that the Plasma desktop shell will not support Wayland."

        KDE. Right. GNOME. Wrong. Grunt.

        And whatever little mental jumps you have to do to justify that are a-OK.
        well fanboism apart, both Gnome and KDE are doing the right thing, after all a migration like this is anything but easy and both desktop backend have to be solid before a production grade migration can be done, remember wayland set the heavy lift on the client side (GTK3/Qt5 in this case). so if the backend is not stable the desktop experience will be a disaster.

        In the case of KDE their first priority is Qt5 migration and slim KDElibs, so the first release will probably be for the brave of heart and then probably for 5.1 wayland will come since most of the work is done(they dont wanna chase 2 rabbits at once)

        So until at least KF5.2 is released is better people for stay with KDE4 series since due the migration they sorta make it an LTS release to ease the migration process(maybe gnome should have done this when 3.0 was released)

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        • #19
          Is there still time to take a Wayland-as-default decision? When do the proposals wrap-up?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by pipe13 View Post
            Part of me was hoping the delayed F-21 release would allow the team to focus on mature stability, rather than bleedingedgekitchensinkcandystoreitis. But then it wouldn't be Fedora, so what would be the point?
            Bleeding edge is what makes Fedora interesting and also what makes it frustrating.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MartinN View Post
              You can always buy a redhat license if you want stability... Meantime, run F21, test it, break it -it's not like the thing is going to test itself when it's out. For stability, you run something other than the latest Fedora release.
              I understand your point to a certain extent but the reality is that for a very long time nothing Linux related was stable. At least not if you had a need to keep current with rational advancements in standards.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jern View Post
                "KF5 will have Wayland support [. . .] on par with Microsoft Windows or OS X support."

                "For the workspaces itís more complex. Our aim for the first release of Plasma Next has never been to fully support Wayland or do the migration to Wayland."

                "As we are entering the alpha release state shortly we can be quite certain that the Plasma desktop shell will not support Wayland."

                KDE. Right. GNOME. Wrong. Grunt.

                And whatever little mental jumps you have to do to justify that are a-OK.
                The most important work has been done nonetheless.

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                • #23
                  After recent rawhide update few hours ago, i finally can launch gnome Wayland session on Fedora rawhide, just selecting it in gdm. It works even on radeon 7850 (was only Inter graphics support before), all looks very similar as in X, except scrolling step in firefox using mouse weel more lines then usual. I think it very unfinished and use Xwayland for everything. "ps" show two gdm sessions in process hierarhy , it expected as i remember note somewhere that need work related to autenticatoin. Still, it already very usable, all that gnome-shell transitions, terminal, firefox work w/o any glitch. Cannot run any OpenGL 3D, it tell i have no 3d support.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MartinN View Post
                    You can always buy a redhat license if you want stability... Meantime, run F21, test it, break it -it's not like the thing is going to test itself when it's out. For stability, you run something other than the latest Fedora release.
                    But where's the fun in that? Sorry guys, I've been an unrepentant Fedora luser since its RedHat 6.3 daze: only release I missed (though not much) was F15, which I sat out while LXDE and XFCE scrambled to cover for Gnome. Fedora stability has been quite good since F17. As for breaking pre-release code, I generally wait until its at least Beta. Something that "yum update" has reasonable assurance of updating. Bug reporting and tracking is a time-pit, so I pick my battles. I've issues enough yet to report against g++ 4.9.0 and gdal 1.11.0, both of which I compile and test from the safety and comfort of Heisenbug. Back to the code mines...

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