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  • #16
    Originally posted by FLHerne View Post
    What I find funny about this is that, after all Canonical's hype about Mir being ready sooner (and standard in 13.10 ), Wayland could well end up on a major distro first.
    Jolla sold a bunch of phones running Wayland.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by benalib View Post
      No wayland will not be ready for productive use in this year and the next year just as Mir
      Fedora is beta lab
      Fedora became less cutting edge in recent versions. I use Fedora professionally as desktop OS.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Scias View Post
        , hence why you can't change the f**#!ing console resolution when using NVIDIA's blob.
        No they simple lack a fbcon driver afaik.

        http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~baker/devices...txt?v=2.6.25.8

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Scias View Post
          What the NVIDIA's driver lacks to get Wayland support is a few Wayland-specific EGL extensions and a kernel modesetting interface, but it doesn't necessarily have to be *KMS* or even open source. AFAIK they already have one (or used to?) except there's no public interface for it to be used directly from the kernel, hence why you can't change the f**#!ing console resolution when using NVIDIA's blob.
          nVidias kernel modesetting interface is/was called "PRIMER" if memory serves.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by benalib View Post
            No wayland will not be ready for productive use in this year and the next year just as Mir
            Fedora is beta lab
            It's 2014, not 2004. Update your info.

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            • #21
              wayland or xwayland?

              wayland or xwayland?

              how something like wayland will be usable without apps? without drivers? only intel for intel users and amd apu users? im only asking. im curious

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rikkinho View Post
                how something like wayland will be usable without apps? without drivers? only intel for intel users and amd apu users? im only asking. im curious
                Wayland works properly on all the major free software KMS supporting drivers (radeon, intel, nouveau), and Fedora only provides support for the free software drivers in their distribution.

                Fedora does not make decisions based upon what binary blob drivers currently support.

                As for legacy X11 applications, they will use xwayland as was explained in the article.

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                • #23
                  hm

                  Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                  Wayland works properly on all the major free software KMS supporting drivers (radeon, intel, nouveau), and Fedora only provides support for the free software drivers in their distribution.

                  Fedora does not make decisions based upon what binary blob drivers currently support.

                  As for legacy X11 applications, they will use xwayland as was explained in the article.
                  xwayland is not wayland but ok, nvidia users cant use fedora then

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rikkinho View Post
                    xwayland is not wayland but ok, nvidia users cant use fedora then
                    Yes they will, but they either will need to use nouveau or a desktop environment which is still using X11.

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                    • #25
                      lol

                      Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                      Yes they will, but they either will need to use nouveau or a desktop environment which is still using X11.
                      ofc but im talking about wayland. nouveau is not good for new video cards and laptop to much heat

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by rikkinho View Post
                        ofc but im talking about wayland. nouveau is not good for new video cards and laptop to much heat
                        NVIDIA is working on drivers that will support Wayland and XWayland. It's not even a secret anymore. Read it on the Xorg ML.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                          Yes they will, but they either will need to use nouveau or a desktop environment which is still using X11.
                          Or just enable x11 mode on their existing DE. It is not like the DEs are dropping X11 support anytime soon.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                            Or just enable x11 mode on their existing DE. It is not like the DEs are dropping X11 support anytime soon.
                            Sooner than you think. As soon as a major DE goes all wayland and the driver/hardware support is there people will switch in droves. Shit will go wayland at lightspeed.
                            Will probably happen with KDE5

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by grndzro View Post
                              Sooner than you think. As soon as a major DE goes all wayland and the driver/hardware support is there people will switch in droves. Shit will go wayland at lightspeed.
                              Will probably happen with KDE5
                              *sigh* First, there will never be a KDE 5. There is KDE frameworks 5, the first release of which will probably support wayland for applications, but the first plasma workspaces 2 release will not support wayland. It will support wayland at some point, but it will continue to support x11 for the forseeable future. KDE frameworks 5 most likely continue to support X11 at least for the lifetime of Qt 5, so probably at least 7 more years and probably longer, and applications that don't rely on wayland-specific stuff (which will be most of them) will automatically suport X11 as long as the frameworks they use support it. So no, I don't see KDE frameworks or plasma workspaces abandoning X11 soon.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                                *sigh* First, there will never be a KDE 5. There is KDE frameworks 5, the first release of which will probably support wayland for applications, but the first plasma workspaces 2 release will not support wayland. It will support wayland at some point, but it will continue to support x11 for the forseeable future. KDE frameworks 5 most likely continue to support X11 at least for the lifetime of Qt 5, so probably at least 7 more years and probably longer, and applications that don't rely on wayland-specific stuff (which will be most of them) will automatically suport X11 as long as the frameworks they use support it. So no, I don't see KDE frameworks or plasma workspaces abandoning X11 soon.
                                lol

                                That whole quote just screams to be started with "I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as KDE5, is in fact, KDE Frameworks 5/Plasma Desktop 2, or as I've recently taken to calling it, KDE Frameworks 5 plus Plasma Desktop 2 ..."

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