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  • Wayland Still To Be A "Tech Preview" In GNOME 3.12

    Phoronix: Wayland Still To Be A "Tech Preview" In GNOME 3.12

    While a lot of headway has been made during the GNOME 3.10 and 3.12 development cycles for allowing the GNOME Shell and rest of the desktop run natively on Wayland without a hard dependency on X11, it was decided that enabling the Wayland support by default will not happen now until at least GNOME 3.14. GNOME 3.12 will still work as a very reasonable Wayland tech preview, but there's some unfinished tasks to be addressed...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTYxNzg

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    A couple of those "to-do"s are connected to input stuff right? Couldn't Gnome contribute to (and then use) libinput?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
      A couple of those "to-do"s are connected to input stuff right? Couldn't Gnome contribute to (and then use) libinput?
      You mean like it says right in the article?

      Originally posted by The article
      Still being tackled for the 3.12 release target is support for launching Wayland sessions from GDM, using libinput for input handling, key bindings support, and Clutter apps support.
      Last edited by kigurai; 02-28-2014, 10:19 AM. Reason: No need to be so combatative

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      • #4
        I was very much looking forward to the "complete port of GNOME to Wayland" they planned for 3.12. I get the feeling it's going to take another year before there is even one fully usable desktop on Wayland.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kigurai View Post
          You mean like it says right in the article?
          Oh, my eyes must have skipped right over that haha

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jukkan View Post
            I was very much looking forward to the "complete port of GNOME to Wayland" they planned for 3.12. I get the feeling it's going to take another year before there is even one fully usable desktop on Wayland.
            And this is the reason I report bugs. There are few developers, I'm not a dev so I can help reporting bugs at least. (I would like to donate money but I prefer to graduate first and have a job to earn money)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jukkan View Post
              I was very much looking forward to the "complete port of GNOME to Wayland" they planned for 3.12. I get the feeling it's going to take another year before there is even one fully usable desktop on Wayland.
              Yes, the problem is that even if Gnome 3.14 is labelled as a full port to Wayland, it'll likely have sore issues enough for a non-Wayland fan to go back to X.org (the fans will endure them). I hope KDE releases a _really_ full port to Wayland _this_ year, not 2015 or 2016.

              Edit: Some might remember that Gnome 3.0 was postponed like 4 times.
              Last edited by mark45; 02-28-2014, 03:00 PM.

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              • #8
                doesnt surprise me bout Wayland not being completely ported over in 3.12 , i predicted this ages ago. another let down by the Gnome-nuts

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                  Phoronix: Wayland Still To Be A "Tech Preview" In GNOME 3.12

                  While a lot of headway has been made during the GNOME 3.10 and 3.12 development cycles for allowing the GNOME Shell and rest of the desktop run natively on Wayland without a hard dependency on X11, it was decided that enabling the Wayland support by default will not happen now until at least GNOME 3.14. GNOME 3.12 will still work as a very reasonable Wayland tech preview, but there's some unfinished tasks to be addressed...

                  http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTYxNzg
                  I don't understand this. Unless I'm mistaken they've said, for awhile(since before the 3.8 release, I think), that 3.12 was going to be mostly ready (that is, available through gdm but not default), with 3.14 expected to switch over defaults.

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                  • #10
                    I don't know if depends on wayland: I installed Fedora 21 and it was faster than Lubuntu on my system... but due to audio matching issue I was forced to reinstall Lubuntu. I'm waiting for chromium ozone too, it's the wayland porting of chromium project.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by liam View Post
                      I don't understand this. Unless I'm mistaken they've said, for awhile(since before the 3.8 release, I think), that 3.12 was going to be mostly ready (that is, available through gdm but not default), with 3.14 expected to switch over defaults.
                      No, 3.10 was supposed to be the last one to use X as default. 3.12 was planned to have fully working Wayland as default. https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland

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                      • #12
                        fedora 21 already applires wayland server on desktop environment?

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                        • #13
                          Before the Michael article: Epiphany + WebKitGTK/WebKit2 + Wayland + Accelerated Compositing
                          Looks interesting...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jukkan View Post
                            No, 3.10 was supposed to be the last one to use X as default. 3.12 was planned to have fully working Wayland as default. https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland
                            Yeah, well... the link does say "Proposed roadmap". Having everything working on Wayland by 3.12 was a goal, but if it's not ready in time, then there's no point in pretending otherwise. And if I had a dollar for every software project I've seen delivered on time, I'd be broke.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Delgarde View Post
                              Yeah, well... the link does say "Proposed roadmap". Having everything working on Wayland by 3.12 was a goal, but if it's not ready in time, then there's no point in pretending otherwise. And if I had a dollar for every software project I've seen delivered on time, I'd be broke.
                              I agree, it's not like GNOME is a company and we are their customers. There was a plan and it didn't work out perfectly, big deal. However, on a larger scale, the state of Linux desktop and the pace it's progressing at, is saddening.

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