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    Phoronix: Advancements Continue Around Wayland, GNOME

    Red Hat's Christian Schaller has shared some more information about improvements happening in the GNOME/Fedora Wayland world...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ2NzU

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    Is the author writing these stories while on a trip? Anyway, much appreciated.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Honton View Post
      That is how you roll when you have more and better contributors than the competition.
      You were well and truly murked during you last trolling attempt, why do you bother?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Honton View Post
        A few beers can't change what we all know. Gnome is moving full flank ahead on Wayland support. That is how you roll when you have more and better contributors than the competition.
        Or, maybe it takes more work to get Gnome working. You know, like having to submit multiple patches to Wayland recently to get their webkit implementation working on it while Qt's worked fine with an unpatched wayland months ago? I can't help you weren't bragging about how great Gnome was or how bad Qt was on that thread.
        Last edited by TheBlackCat; 09-24-2013, 01:27 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
          Or, maybe it takes more work to get Gnome working. You know, like having to submit multiple patches to Wayland recently to get their webkit implementation working on it while Qt's worked fine with an unpatched wayland months ago? I can't help you weren't bragging about how great Gnome was or how bad Qt was on that thread.
          We had to add several missing features to Wayland. It is great when you have no knowledge and just assume things. Maybe maybe our Webkit supports a little bit more? :P

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bkor View Post
            We had to add several missing features to Wayland. It is great when you have no knowledge and just assume things. Maybe maybe our Webkit supports a little bit more? :P
            Honton is a well-known troll. I am just pointing out his/her hypocrisy.

            The fact of the matter is that both KDE and Gnome are doing a lot of work to get Wayland working, and both are making a lot of progress. But they are doing things in a different order and in different ways. Honton always likes to claim in these posts that Gnome/GTK is making faster progress, but is conspicuously silent in cases where KDE/Qt has made faster progress.

            And I am not sure exactly what I assumed, I pointed out that KDE/Qt has made faster progress in some areas, and provided an alternative explanation that fits that data equally well (I noticed you did the same thing, also without providing any evidence).
            Last edited by TheBlackCat; 09-24-2013, 03:28 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
              The fact of the matter is that both KDE and Gnome are doing a lot of work to get Wayland working, and both are making a lot of progress.
              I understood, no problem. Could you give me some pointers how I can follow the progress of KDE and Wayland? I'm following that person who maintains the KDE window manager (kwin?). Any recommendations for other people or mailing lists to follow? Prefer sources which have a lot of info about Wayland, not too much other stuff (except if generally interesting like the kwin maintainer).

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              • #8
                first draft of a Wayland protocol extension for handling Wacom tablets
                Yes! Awesome.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                  Or, maybe it takes more work to get Gnome working. You know, like having to submit multiple patches to Wayland recently to get their webkit implementation working on it while Qt's worked fine with an unpatched wayland months ago? I can't help you weren't bragging about how great Gnome was or how bad Qt was on that thread.
                  Didn't the gnome project just move to a new new gtkwebkit called gtkwebkit2? That could've introduced some problems.
                  As far as Qt is concerned, aren't they moving to a new web renderer (based on the new google project)?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                    Or, maybe it takes more work to get Gnome working. You know, like having to submit multiple patches to Wayland recently to get their webkit implementation working on it while Qt's worked fine with an unpatched wayland months ago? I can't help you weren't bragging about how great Gnome was or how bad Qt was on that thread.
                    If you'd have bothered to follow the low level world of KWin you would know they are far behind on implementing Wayland because they are ripping out cruft to move to QT Frameworks for KDE and it's KDE Frameworks initiative.

                    They won't be Wayland stable until KDE 5, if that.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Marc Driftmeyer View Post
                      If you'd have bothered to follow the low level world of KWin you would know they are far behind on implementing Wayland because they are ripping out cruft to move to QT Frameworks for KDE and it's KDE Frameworks initiative.

                      They won't be Wayland stable until KDE 5, if that.
                      I am well aware of that. But there is more to Wayland support than just kwin. kwin has been going to a somewhat slower pace than Gnome for the reasons you stated, but others parts have been moving at a faster pace. Honton only looks at the case where Gnome/GTK moves faster, but is conspicuously silent in areas where KDE/Qt has moved faster.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Honton View Post
                        KDE is welcome to walk the road Gnome paves. Just be polite and respect the bigger and faster moving DE.
                        Honton, I'd like you to answer me something.

                        What exactly made you decide "I'm going to preach about how GNOME is better than KDE in a way so annoying that less people use GNOME"? Like, in the first place, GNOME and KDE aren't competing. They are two different means to the same end using different technologies and that's it. There is no marketing or competing involved. If there was, you'd be doing a VERY bad job of supporting the GNOME side (just as BO$$ does a very bad job of supporting Ubuntu).

                        tl;dr Why do you assume GNOME and KDE are fighting against each other?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
                          Honton, I'd like you to answer me something.

                          What exactly made you decide "I'm going to preach about how GNOME is better than KDE in a way so annoying that less people use GNOME"? Like, in the first place, GNOME and KDE aren't competing. They are two different means to the same end using different technologies and that's it. There is no marketing or competing involved. If there was, you'd be doing a VERY bad job of supporting the GNOME side (just as BO$$ does a very bad job of supporting Ubuntu).

                          tl;dr Why do you assume GNOME and KDE are fighting against each other?
                          Wouldn't be surprised if boss and funkstar are the same person(/same disorder).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kostas View Post
                            Wouldn't be surprised if boss and funkstar are the same person(/same disorder).
                            You're still wondering about that?!?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Honton View Post
                              Should I assume something else? If yes, then please explain to me why the don't share as much as possible.
                              We work together with KDE and various other desktop environments on freedesktop.org. Could be areas where we could improve things, but it has resulted in loads of standards over the years. See e.g. http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/. Aside from this we also work together at a window manager level (so not just desktop environments). Due to historic reasons, that mailing list is at gnome.org. Any desktop environment will obviously think that their way of doing things is best (otherwise why not contribute to or use the other). Further, I want GNOME to be the best desktop (better also than Windows or Mac OS). Still, best of luck to any free software desktop environment.

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