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    Phoronix: Wayland & Weston 1.2.1 Released

    Kristian Hgsberg has put out the first point release to Wayland 1.2 and its adjoining Weston reference compositor. While mostly about bug-fixes, there's also some original new work found in Wayland/Weston 1.2.1...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ0Mjg

  • #2
    A quick search didn't reveal the answer so I'll ask here;

    How long until I can run without X? (I know it depends on what progs I use, let's say WINE and firefox)
    Also have an HTPC (AMD APU) that is itching to be running XBMC+Wayland without anything else in the way.

    Is this a complete waste looking into it now, or are we getting close?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by beaverusiv View Post
      A quick search didn't reveal the answer so I'll ask here;

      How long until I can run without X? (I know it depends on what progs I use, let's say WINE and firefox)
      Also have an HTPC (AMD APU) that is itching to be running XBMC+Wayland without anything else in the way.

      Is this a complete waste looking into it now, or are we getting close?
      the E19 guys showed off there Wayland Desktop today so i say soon Wine and FireFox need Xorg to run for now far as i know

      http://e19releasemanager.wordpress.c...dose-of-the-w/

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      • #4
        Cheers. And is there any other reason to be anticipating other than technical? Is it going to be perceptibly faster than running xorg?
        Sidenote: Frick I'm gonna have to give lots of money to the Crossover guys, Skyrim on Linux rules so much more than I thought.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by beaverusiv View Post
          Cheers. And is there any other reason to be anticipating other than technical? Is it going to be perceptibly faster than running xorg?
          Sidenote: Frick I'm gonna have to give lots of money to the Crossover guys, Skyrim on Linux rules so much more than I thought.
          It will finally eliminate tearing, and seems likely to improve smoothness of things like resizing windows. DRI3 could help out some of that in X, but it's yet to be seen how well that will work out.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by beaverusiv View Post
            Cheers. And is there any other reason to be anticipating other than technical? Is it going to be perceptibly faster than running xorg?
            Sidenote: Frick I'm gonna have to give lots of money to the Crossover guys, Skyrim on Linux rules so much more than I thought.
            this shows off some speed
            http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-m...and-replaces-x

            and this is Wayland too

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            • #7
              Originally posted by beaverusiv View Post
              A quick search didn't reveal the answer so I'll ask here;

              How long until I can run without X? (I know it depends on what progs I use, let's say WINE and firefox)
              Also have an HTPC (AMD APU) that is itching to be running XBMC+Wayland without anything else in the way.

              Is this a complete waste looking into it now, or are we getting close?
              Gnome is looking to have a port to Wayland functional this year.
              KDE is looking to have a port to Wayland functional next summer.
              Enlightenment is...I think this christmas?
              XFCE is whenever they get along to porting to GTK3
              LXDE is whenever they get along to porting to Qt5

              Firefox...is still using GTK2, you're screwed there until they make the port a priority. Best bet will be Rekonq (when they make the Qt5 port), Ephiphany (GTK3 port), or maybe Chrome if Google makes it a priority.
              Wine... Not sure. I'm honestly not sure how heavily X-dependent wine is.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                Gnome is looking to have a port to Wayland functional this year.
                KDE is looking to have a port to Wayland functional next summer.
                Enlightenment is...I think this christmas?
                XFCE is whenever they get along to porting to GTK3
                LXDE is whenever they get along to porting to Qt5

                Firefox...is still using GTK2, you're screwed there until they make the port a priority. Best bet will be Rekonq (when they make the Qt5 port), Ephiphany (GTK3 port), or maybe Chrome if Google makes it a priority.
                Wine... Not sure. I'm honestly not sure how heavily X-dependent wine is.
                did you read Enlightenment last blog? on E19 as pointed out by 89c51 http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...513#post352513

                this shows E19 on Wayland
                http://e19releasemanager.wordpress.c...dose-of-the-w/

                Mate is soon to come to Wayland as well
                and Martin Grlin had KDE running on Wayland so we may see a build this year

                and heres a nice little article on Wayland
                http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/...-waylands-rise

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                  Wine and FireFox need Xorg to run for now far as i know
                  Yes, they do. I was thinking about it, and the main reason some think the patch for using native D3D9 should not be merged, is a reason to not merge Wayland or Mir support: it's Linux specific. I wonder what would happen on that camp. If Wayland or Mir are supported, I see no reason (aside from possible code reasons, I mean) to not merge D3D9 bypassing.

                  Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                  XFCE is whenever they get along to porting to GTK3
                  LXDE is whenever they get along to porting to Qt5
                  ??
                  None of them stated any upcoming port to either Wayland or Mir (I do hope they will support Wayland, eventually), and you should know porting the toolkit doesn't port the DEs. It just ports the apps, and specifically those not using any X specifics. Anything using directly X (which all window managers do, because there's no workaround it) needs to be ported manually.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by beaverusiv View Post
                    A quick search didn't reveal the answer so I'll ask here;

                    How long until I can run without X? (I know it depends on what progs I use, let's say WINE and firefox)
                    Also have an HTPC (AMD APU) that is itching to be running XBMC+Wayland without anything else in the way.

                    Is this a complete waste looking into it now, or are we getting close?
                    XBMC is using SDL, and since it's a fullscreen app, it should run on Wayland right now. Probably not entirely without bugs and not all features will be supported just yet, but it should run (you need to enable SDL's Wayland backend first with an environment variable, and probably need experimental SDL and XBMC code for it). This was posted a while ago, so things probably changed a bit, but still a good reference: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2013/...mc-on-wayland/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
                      None of them stated any upcoming port to either Wayland or Mir (I do hope they will support Wayland, eventually), and you should know porting the toolkit doesn't port the DEs. It just ports the apps, and specifically those not using any X specifics. Anything using directly X (which all window managers do, because there's no workaround it) needs to be ported manually.
                      Not exactly true although not exactly false, either. I don't know about GTK, but Qt 5 provides Wayland compositor classes that make it much easier for DE's to write Wayland compositors. So although porting to Qt 5 will not give automatic support, it will make the porting much easier.

                      That is assuming LXDE doesn't switch to using Kwin. The modularization of frameworks 5 should make this possible, but who knows whether the LXDE camp has any interest.

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                      • #12
                        Wayland needs todo more frequent releases to get new stuff out quicker.
                        I think Mir gets updated every week?

                        Originally posted by beaverusiv View Post
                        How long until I can run without X? (I know it depends on what progs I use, let's say WINE and firefox)
                        Firefox is getting ported from GTK2 to GTK3.
                        There are some bugs/issues remaining:
                        https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627699 [Port GTK2 to GTK3]
                        https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635134 [Make Firefox work as well with Wayland (without X) as with just X]

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                          Wayland needs todo more frequent releases to get new stuff out quicker.
                          I think Mir gets updated every week?
                          Mir seems (i repeat seems) to be more focused on getting things done because canonical cares a bit more about the desktop. On the wayland front most contributions (see the latest release) come from intel and samsund and i bet they focus on tizen. At least thats my feeling.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                            Mir seems (i repeat seems) to be more focused on getting things done because canonical cares a bit more about the desktop. On the wayland front most contributions (see the latest release) come from intel and samsund and i bet they focus on tizen. At least thats my feeling.
                            for the 34848578948937348973498734th time Wayland as Wayland client protocol is ready since some time ago and since some time ago wayland is on tackle the weird scenarios and bug fixing because is freezed for god sakes, wayland is on porting stage

                            Mir is close to wayland 2010[0.20ish], it has more activity because is very very alpha and it miss a bazillion features that wayland have since ages ago so of course have more commits activity DUH!!!. is on heavy development.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
                              for the 34848578948937348973498734th time Wayland as Wayland client protocol is ready since some time ago and since some time ago wayland is on tackle the weird scenarios and bug fixing because is freezed for god sakes, wayland is on porting stage

                              Mir is close to wayland 2010[0.20ish], it has more activity because is very very alpha and it miss a bazillion features that wayland have since ages ago so of course have more commits activity DUH!!!. is on heavy development.
                              Amen!

                              ...seriously

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