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  • #16
    Originally posted by valeriodean View Post
    Client Side Decoration.
    It means that the window's decoration are applied by the client and then the client sends to the server only the final image to compose on screen.
    The other approach is the Server Side Decoration, where the client sends only the windows and the server take care to apply the decoration and then compose the final image on screen.
    Wayland is a minimal display server, so minimal that they have choice to put out the decoration management from the compositor by default, but you can use SSD if you need it, just is not the default scenario (think about particular scenarios like the In-Vehicle Infotainment).

    I'm very interested to try gnome with wayland asap!
    So, they have intentionally thrown out as much functionality as possible. And THIS has been WIP for >5y? LOL

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Honton View Post
      First step would be for everyone to agree about CSD. There might be a DE out there who deny the developers the ability to make feature rich apps. This is based on an assumption that the developers are too stupid to do good design.
      Actually in his latest post about CSD Martin Grlin did admit that there are benefits to both approaches and suggested that there should be a protocol between the server and the client to negotiate if CSD should be used or not. I think with such a protocol it should be possible to

      - have an option to enforce SSD globally for every application (e.g. for systems like plasma active where you don't want any window decorations at all or if you really don't like CSD)
      - allow CSD for applications that want to use it
      - have an option to choose between CSD and SSD for all the applications that use CSD individually (hopefully)

      I think this would be the perfect solution. The only downside would be that applications that use CSD for additional functionality would have to implement it somewhere else if the system tells them not to use CSD.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Honton View Post
        And no. KDE can not come back in a few years time and complain when they finally target Wayland. Plasma Active was no more than a advertisement code for Qt's "write once, deploy everyehere". Such NIH stuff is disqualified. Wayland is about Linux input and rendering done right, NOT Qt's sales gimmick.
        So frow what I understand from your post, it seems that it would be hard to have a single interface that could handle both traditional, desktop-like apps and "modern-UI / smartphone-style" fullscreen apps, or did I understood bad ? What is broken according to you in plasma active and how do you think it should change without modifying the UI of plasma active ?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by doom_Oo7 View Post
          So frow what I understand from your post, it seems that it would be hard to have a single interface that could handle both traditional, desktop-like apps and "modern-UI / smartphone-style" fullscreen apps, or did I understood bad ? What is broken according to you in plasma active and how do you think it should change without modifying the UI of plasma active ?
          Honton is a Gnome troll. Don't expect any real answers from him. Just ignore him: http://phoronix.com/forums/profile.p...ignore&u=73217

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
            Actually in his latest post about CSD- have an option to choose between CSD and SSD for all the applications that use CSD individually (hopefully)
            With Qt applications the method of how to implement window decorations is already optional. PW2 will set them to off and KWin 5 will handle them.
            According to http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTMyMDY CSD with GTK3 are optional as well at least under non-Wayland environments. Not sure about Wayland, though, but I think the Gnome devs are not that stupid and make CSD optional under Wayland as well.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Honton View Post
              Truly amazing. Gnome 3.10 beta is next week and they are pulling in so much magic these days. MIR and "Gnome is DOOMed camp" I believe this is a message for you
              I'm confused why you brought the Mir camp into this...... entirely unrelated to this article.

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              • #22
                looks like dual monitors are finely work on Linux out of the Box

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                  I'm confused why you brought the Mir camp into this...... entirely unrelated to this article.
                  More Mir more damage control? damn you work hard at it do you get paid for all of that work you do for them?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                    More Mir more damage control? damn you work hard at it do you get paid for all of that work you do for them?
                    I'm more intrigued by the magic!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                      More Mir more damage control? damn you work hard at it do you get paid for all of that work you do for them?
                      ...... If we were talking about baseball, and all the sudden someone started talking about their favorite play in football, then I'd question that too....

                      But yes, your suspicion is correct. I'm being paid by Mark Shuttleworth himself to support ubuntu. But not against anyone, just you. Everyone in the world is focusing on you, just as you always suspected. We're coming, there is no where you can hide. We're everywhere. BOOOOOO!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Honton View Post
                        I think it is very related. Gnome goes ahead and show how much could be done in half of a release cycle. Not only related to having rendering based on the wayland protocol but also all the general work for X replacement. Gnome's swift response shows how much engineering power they have. Having a preview prepared like this is truly remarkable. I liked Gnome before this, but seeing Gnome's plan unfold like this is amazing. Im sure some Gnome people have worked VERY hard. Im glad KDE said no to MIR as well, even burning some bridges. But Gnome's response is a slap on Mark's face. This is personal

                        Gnome 3.10 probaly turned out to be much different than anticipated. Maybe not better, but different.
                        Again..... we're talking baseball, your stating basketball stats. Gnome development milestones have nothing to do with Mir. How did you make that jump that it somehow relates? It only related by a weird jump that occurred only in your head.

                        I honestly think people respond to any and all posts here, then switch the topic to f-ubuntu, f-Mir, f-mono, f-pulseaudio, f-the-thing-of-the-week, and actually think in their own minds that its on topic, when it truly isn't. Insanity in action.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by johnc View Post
                          And if only GNOME was usable it would actually be relevant.
                          Well, don't tell that to the nerds. Tell choke you with stupid stories about keyboard shortcuts and multiple desktops that gnome handles so well. It's still a usability nightmare and I have been using it for years, because I hate KDE like the plague (actually KDE has been getting better and better).

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                            Again..... we're talking baseball, your stating basketball stats. Gnome development milestones have nothing to do with Mir. How did you make that jump that it somehow relates? It only related by a weird jump that occurred only in your head.

                            I honestly think people respond to any and all posts here, then switch the topic to f-ubuntu, f-Mir, f-mono, f-pulseaudio, f-the-thing-of-the-week, and actually think in their own minds that its on topic, when it truly isn't. Insanity in action.
                            it is like Baseball Mir Vs Wayland and the Gnome Wayland Port was a "Home Run" and Xmir was just a "foul ball"

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                            • #29
                              I still hope there will be some room for lightweight wms like i3wm, fluxbox, awesome, etc.. in the wayland world.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by doom_Oo7 View Post
                                I still hope there will be some room for lightweight wms like i3wm, fluxbox, awesome, etc.. in the wayland world.
                                there is the Developers just have to port them over and most of the time the Big Dog's KDE Gnome Etc have to get it ported first so the little guys can use the code in the ports Lets hope the Wayland Ports are vary well Documented

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