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  • #16
    El mate es bueno para la salud

    Of course. offtopic And is more important xfce dev opinion about wayland rather than xuvuntu maintainers... Because if xfce 412 only support wayland xubunto will disappear. I mean that guys only change the de .

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    • #17
      Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
      Linux Mint Mate is using compiz is it not?
      Last time I tried it, it did not use compiz. (and compiz is buggy as hell anyway )

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      • #18
        Is nice to see ongoing work on Mate but XFCE is far superior (much more configurable, etc...) I would advice to people wanting a classic experience to just use XFCE you will not regret it

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        • #19
          Originally posted by TheOne View Post
          Is nice to see ongoing work on Mate but XFCE is far superior (much more configurable, etc...) I would advice to people wanting a classic experience to just use XFCE you will not regret it
          No xfce . mate is very good

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          • #20
            I was really excited about Unity because of its global menu, but then it was made to auto-hide, and the old categorized application approach was never adopted with the launcher.. it was just another OS X dock with some arbitrary icons, which are just another thing to have to manage.

            I've tried Mate on my 12.04 machine, but I have to use 13.04 to install the global menu bar applet for Mate, so I'll be doing that next. If it all works well, I'll be switching back very soon. I do hope the Mate panels are a little less buggy than the old gnome ones though.

            Frankly, an always-displayed global menu bar is one of my absolute top priorities in an OS. When Unity lost them, I tried to install iAtkos on my rig. Got it to boot in safe mode, but it seems my mainboard might not be compatible, or maybe I just didn't use the right set of install options. Anyways, I have got to have that, so if Mate gives it to me and Unity doesn't, I can guarantee I'll be switching. I am really glad to hear that Mate is keeping up with other technology advancements in the FOSS realm

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            • #21
              MATE is incredibly buggy and a memory hog compared to XFCE. There's little to no reason to use it instead of XFCE.
              Can't wait for RazorQT to be ready for everyday use.

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              • #22
                Really looking forward to the LXDE-razorqt merge as well. Using and liked both, hope to see something exciting come out of it.

                ps: what's the default terminal for razorqt ? it seems that there is none.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by yourWife View Post
                  ps: what's the default terminal for razorqt ? it seems that there is none.
                  QTerminal.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by peppercats View Post
                    MATE is incredibly buggy and a memory hog compared to XFCE. There's little to no reason to use it instead of XFCE.
                    Can't wait for RazorQT to be ready for everyday use.
                    Really as i run MATE 1.6 in a Production Environment i have not hit any bugs, in it at all the Old Release's of MATE was bad but, MATE 1.6 is one of the Best DE's i used so far, it even has lower ram usage then Xfce it's around the same as LXDE

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                    • #25
                      I have tried XFCE many times over the years. there has always been something that has brought me back to GNOME2 (or these days MATE). I think last time it was handling of external monitors. If my laptop is on my desk its connected to a monitor, the rest of the time its isn't. GNOME/MATE detect the monitor, enable it and remember the settings I last used for it. I think XFCE required me to go into a control panel each time. Also the GNOME/MATE system monitor applet and clock drop-down are second to none.

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                      • #26
                        storytime

                        After reading this, I decided to go back an try mate again and I'm really pleased.

                        It really feels like coming home after a very long and frustrating journey at least for my old trusty singlecore athlon xp system...
                        I used to run gnome2 on it (and tried countless alternatives...) but ever since the gnome3 transition, that system has been in a constant flux.
                        Only recently, I installed debian wheezy which comes with (a much matured) gnome3 desktop, which at first felt okay-ish, but soon I realized that it was just too much for my old system.
                        Since yesterday its 'back' to mate, and I can only say 'just as I left it (gnome2)' a few years ago (its still the same /home partition).

                        It's not buggy, it's not a memory hog (well it's not lightweight like dwm, but it's just not in that category) and for my old system it's just great!
                        If they take this forward into way-land-land it has the potential of becoming a solid alternative for older and low-end systems.

                        Xfce never was gnome2 and as such should not be compared to mate. Don't get me wrong, I like xfce, but it just never got to me as gnome2 did and thanks to mate, after years of turmoil, the desktop question for my old machine has finally been settled
                        The razor-qt and lxde merger of course remains highly interesting, because qt just rocks compared to both gtk2 and gtk3. On my new main system I run kde4, so I'm obviously biased

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
                          I should have been more specific. Metacity lacks "proper" tear-free opengl compositing. It has compositing, but it uses xrender last I checked and had video tearing.
                          FWIW they can just use mutter with the default plugin which is pretty much like old metacity + clutter based cm.

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                          • #28
                            It is a good desktop, nothing like gnome3, or the buggier gnome2.

                            I also use Xfce and e17, and occasionally lxde. The idea of lxde going qt sounds great, there seems to be too many gtk desktops and too few qt ones.

                            Someone said Xubuntu will disappear, this is highly unlikely. Ubuntu is going to inherit the wayland packages from Debian, and there should be no reason for them to take them out from the repositories; mir packages can also be flagged as conflict with wayland; then everyone will go their merry way: Ubuntu with their unity and mir, everyone else with their de and wayland

                            And speaking of Debian, i wish mate had made it to wheezy, but alas, that could not be. At least its on jessie.
                            Now Debian should have defaulted to that instead of pushing gnome3 thru the noses to everyone. The damage has already been done.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by drago01 View Post
                              FWIW they can just use mutter with the default plugin which is pretty much like old metacity + clutter based cm.
                              Standalone mutter is awful, i've tried it. Its very buggy and broken when just use with "mutter --replace". For example the alt tab switcher is just awful, as are the animations. Its really meant to base other window managers on usng libmutter (like gnome-shell and gala do).

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Artemis3 View Post
                                The idea of lxde going qt sounds great, there seems to be too many gtk desktops and too few qt ones.
                                If it sounds great to you because of a bigger amount of Qt desktops, I must break the bad news to you: it merges with Razor, so it's still the same number (whatever it is) of desktops based on Qt.

                                mir packages can also be flagged as conflict with wayland; then everyone will go their merry way: Ubuntu with their unity and mir, everyone else with their de and wayland
                                It's probably not that easy, since Ubuntu needs custom mesa patches to work with Mir, and this might (or might not, of course, but it's somewhat unpredictable) break compatibility with Wayland. In fact, that's the troublesome piece. There's probably no problem (as long as a correct configuration exists) in having both Wayland and Mir installed, provided mesa supports both.

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