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  • #16
    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
    I would like to use gnome-panel with some modern window manager on Wayland.
    Cinnamon? It's based on gnome-shell, last I checked.... I don't know what your definition of modern window manager is, though. I use Gnome Shell at work on a dual-monitor machine (java/web dev), and it does just fine for me... better than Unity ever worked at least.

    At home I use a combination of Gnome Shell and Cinnamon, depending on what machine I'm on.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Honton View Post
      This is not a buffet. You have to pick. Old or new. The Gnome devs stopped developing the old software for a reason.
      gnome-panel was updated from GNOME 2.32 to GNOME 3 and it was ported from GTK2 to GTK3, and old cruft were removed and legacy stuff deprecated.

      So gnome-panel should be reasonably modern.
      I think they stopped developing gnome-panel to have less maintenance and focus more on gnome-shell, and because gnome-shell is their vision that they want to push on everyone, and they don't want people to use gnome-panel because they want to push their vision and they don't like choice.
      Example, they made it difficult to change theme, removed lots of settings, etc.

      Originally posted by Veerappan View Post
      Cinnamon? It's based on gnome-shell, last I checked.... I don't know what your definition of modern window manager is, though. I use Gnome Shell at work on a dual-monitor machine (java/web dev), and it does just fine for me... better than Unity ever worked at least.

      At home I use a combination of Gnome Shell and Cinnamon, depending on what machine I'm on.
      I've tried Cinnamon, and it is interesting.
      However, I still prefer gnome-panel.

      I also noticed that the menu takes too long time to open on Cinnamon, there is a noticeable delay that is annoying. Also it feels too much like GNOME 3.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
        gnome-panel was updated from GNOME 2.32 to GNOME 3 and it was ported from GTK2 to GTK3, and old cruft were removed and legacy stuff deprecated.

        So gnome-panel should be reasonably modern.
        I think they stopped developing gnome-panel to have less maintenance and focus more on gnome-shell, and because gnome-shell is their vision that they want to push on everyone, and they don't want people to use gnome-panel because they want to push their vision and they don't like choice.
        Yeah, if everyone could just work on what I want, instead of what they want, the world would be such a lovely place.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by uid313 View Post
          gnome-panel was updated from GNOME 2.32 to GNOME 3 and it was ported from GTK2 to GTK3, and old cruft were removed and legacy stuff deprecated.

          So gnome-panel should be reasonably modern.
          I think they stopped developing gnome-panel to have less maintenance and focus more on gnome-shell, and because gnome-shell is their vision that they want to push on everyone, and they don't want people to use gnome-panel because they want to push their vision and they don't like choice.
          Example, they made it difficult to change theme, removed lots of settings, etc.

          I've tried Cinnamon, and it is interesting.
          However, I still prefer gnome-panel.
          http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTI3NzM

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          • #20
            Originally posted by kigurai View Post
            Yeah, if everyone could just work on what I want, instead of what they want, the world would be such a lovely place.
            It's subtle, but you're actually picking out a major problem with modern trends in some corners of software development: there is this idea that the users' needs are almost a complete afterthought. This idea is becoming a bit ubiquitous if you look around (Windows 8, etc.). It's completely backwards, however.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by johnc View Post
              It's subtle, but you're actually picking out a major problem with modern trends in some corners of software development: there is this idea that the users' needs are almost a complete afterthought. This idea is becoming a bit ubiquitous if you look around (Windows 8, etc.). It's completely backwards, however.
              If you are insinuating that GNOME3 do not meet the needs of its user base, then I disagree. Since it is still one of the largest DE's for Linux, I think we can just dismiss it as untrue as well.
              And I hardly believe that GNOME or Microsoft did not consider user's needs. They did have two new UI concepts they wanted to try. For GNOME it seems to have been mostly a success. For Microsoft it might have been worse, but I am really not up to date with that at all.

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              • #22
                plowing ahead

                ... can't stop Wayland...or Gnome...or Linux!

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                • #23
                  I'm excited for both Gnome and Wayland.
                  I hate the fact that Gnome is heavily dependent on web technologies, which makes it slower, but Gnome Shell is so far the most usable and productive desktop environment, especially when you consider the amount of plugins available for it and the ease of install/uninstall of those plugins.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by sarmad View Post
                    I'm excited for both Gnome and Wayland.
                    I hate the fact that Gnome is heavily dependent on web technologies, which makes it slower, but Gnome Shell is so far the most usable and productive desktop environment, especially when you consider the amount of plugins available for it and the ease of install/uninstall of those plugins.
                    GTK3 using a dialect of CSS for themes is pretty cool though.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                      GTK3 using a dialect of CSS for themes is pretty cool though.
                      That is kind of cool, sure.

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                      • #26
                        Once Gnome gets fully Ported to Wayland we need to Start Porting Unity to Wayland

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                          Once Gnome gets fully Ported to Wayland we need to Start Porting Unity to Wayland
                          If you can't/won't call it Unity I suggest the name Diversity...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                            Once Gnome gets fully Ported to Wayland we need to Start Porting Unity to Wayland
                            Or better just forget about Unity and use the resources to make Wayland even better, by porting existing apps to Wayland for example. Let's see if Mir and Canonical alone will be able to catch up with the rest of the world. I would really admire them if they manage to do so.

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                            • #29
                              giving up being right

                              Originally posted by Honton View Post
                              Right now it looks like they will go for a home brewed stack based on re-inventions handicapped by contributor agreements. And that will take them to make or break. It is a matter of inertia.

                              Off course there is a possibility that they give up and adapt/adopt to systemd, wayland, git and so on. But that will take extreme sacrifices from Mark Shuttleworth. I doubt he is man enough to write off the money and admit he was wrong. Too much pride.
                              We all equally guilty of pride. When directed, pride propels us to create useful things for others. This is more than pride - it's hubris, particularly because it was amply demonstrated that Mir offers nothing superior, technologically, to Wayland. Shuttleworth had a change of heart for whatever reason and decided to splinter the freedesktop(.org) effort rather than unify it. Apparently, for Mark, it is much more difficult to negotiate with others than it is to prove a moot point (i.e. Mir).

                              I am hoping he'll have a change of heart again - that would be the right thing to do, clean up this unnecessary mess he created and go back to good graces with everyone else who is committed to Wayland, which is the last missing piece in the Linux puzzle - an awesome, performant, fast desktop that bridges the past legacy (X) into the future seamlessly. In the absence of a change of heart, he has to see this thing through completion or otherwise risk looking like a fool for giving up on both options - Wayland and eventually Mir, if it doesn't pan out the way they expected it.

                              What also bothered me is the mild bashing of Wayland, calling it a "repeat of X mistakes"... as if those who created X, are unable to perceive what went "wrong" with a 25+ year old legacy and are unable to create a brand new core, a legacy that will hopefully last for another 10-20 years before it needs another revamp. That is probably a bigger giveaway of his silent regret for abandoning Wayland than anything else he's said on the issue so far.

                              I'm hoping for a miracle and that somehow the Wayland camp will show magnanimity and forgiveness and are still able to work together in a concerted effort with Canonical. If we must choose sides, let us not forget that Linux is the side both Canonical (i.e. Mir) and Wayland are on, and if you must have a worthy competitor, then put Apple or Microsoft in the crosshair....
                              Last edited by MartinN; 08-07-2013, 02:17 PM.

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