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  • GNOME & Intel Developers Plan The Wayland Future

    Phoronix: GNOME & Intel Developers Plan The Wayland Future

    The GNOME annual developer conference, GUADEC, is beginning this week in the Czech Republic. At this GNOME-focused open-source event, the developers will be joined by Intel Wayland developers as they plot their eventual departure from the X.Org Server...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQyNDM

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    2014 - the year of Wayland on the desktop.

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      fast as the Development has been going for the Gnome>Wayland i say it may have a Full Gnome-Wayland this year

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        I don't know how much work there's remaining, but I'll be amazed if GNOME Shell works as Wayland compositor by end of Sept. It'll be interesting as hell to see how things turn out during the next 6-9 months. Will Wayland finally make a breakthrough?

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          Non-Linux GNOME developers

          Wayland is really exciting stuff!

          I hope that there are some non-Linux GNOME developers participating at GUADEC.
          Hope to see some BSD and Solaris developers participate.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jukkan View Post
            I don't know how much work there's remaining, but I'll be amazed if GNOME Shell works as Wayland compositor by end of Sept. It'll be interesting as hell to see how things turn out during the next 6-9 months. Will Wayland finally make a breakthrough?
            "Must have" stuff that is still to become part of Wayland is the input method framework, window minimize (yes minimize which according to wayland devs is an incredibly subtle and complex thing), popup placement protocol, some deficiencies in wayland that must be fixed or worked around and who knows what else? Let's build a list of must haves that aren't officially part of Wayland yet?
            Last edited by mark45; 07-30-2013, 03:35 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mark45 View Post
              "Must have" stuff that is still to become part of Wayland is the input method framework, window minimize (yes minimize which according to wayland devs is an incredibly subtle and complex thing), popup placement protocol, some deficiencies in wayland that must be fixed or worked around and who knows what else? Let's build a list of must haves that aren't officially part of Wayland yet?
              Minimize itself isn't hard, its what to do once it IS minimized. Do the windows keep rendering so that their state is always kept updated? Are they updated as needed? Do programs (and their rendering) be suspended when minimized-- out of sight out of mind? etc etc etc

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mark45 View Post
                "Must have" stuff that is still to become part of Wayland is the input method framework, window minimize (yes minimize which according to wayland devs is an incredibly subtle and complex thing), popup placement protocol, some deficiencies in wayland that must be fixed or worked around and who knows what else? Let's build a list of must haves that aren't officially part of Wayland yet?
                http://cgit.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/tree/TODO
                Last update: 2012-10-22

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                • #9
                  I wonder how long it takes until someone mentions..

                  It's funny that all people are excited to have wayland desktops in the future. You should only see a difference if something goes wrong .
                  Yes I know that many X drawbacks are apparent but the change for the enduser should be minimal.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by scionicspectre View Post
                    2014 - the year of Wayland on the desktop.
                    People get stuck on a particular year, then naysayers use that to assassinate any progress that has or hasn't been made to their liking/expectation - so I'll do you one better:

                    "Wayland = the future of the Linux desktop... and the future is now"

                    Refute that !

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                      Yes I know that many X drawbacks are apparent but the change for the enduser should be minimal.
                      Given that minimal can be interpreted to suit any point - yes.
                      To me - no, it's a big difference, less CPU, less/no stuttering, apps starting up faster, when dragging window the cursor doesn't stay behind, user input across the whole desktop doesn't "freeze" if you have a right-click menu anywhere visible, etc etc As a desktop programmer it's worth learning wayland's API, as opposed to trying to learn X11 which is a shitload of antiquated crap not worth learning and memorizing unless you wanna deal with code from 1980's which is at the core of X11 which is so grotesque nobody dares changing it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                        I wonder how long it takes until someone mentions..

                        It's funny that all people are excited to have wayland desktops in the future. You should only see a difference if something goes wrong .
                        Yes I know that many X drawbacks are apparent but the change for the enduser should be minimal.
                        Yep...it's about as minimal as OS 9 -> OS X on the Mac....

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MartinN View Post
                          Yep...it's about as minimal as OS 9 -> OS X on the Mac....
                          How should I know about what went on with Mac OS? This is a Linux forum. Mac OSX is the Anti-Linux. Visually your desktop will look the same.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MartinN View Post
                            "Wayland = the future of the Linux desktop... and the future is now"

                            Refute that !
                            Easy! Future is, by definition, everything that comes AFTER "now"...

                            Refuted :P

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Honton View Post
                              Gnome does more than just being comitted to support. Gnome is heavily involved in the development of Wayland and Weston.
                              Why would any Gnome deve be involved with Weston when they don't even plan to use Weston at all?

                              Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                              fast as the Development has been going for the Gnome>Wayland i say it may have a Full Gnome-Wayland this year
                              You show incredible ignorance how a six months release cycle works…

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