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  • #31
    Originally posted by caryhartline View Post
    There are definitely going to have some die-hard fans of Linux and Sailfish who will buy this no matter the price, but I highly doubt the general market is going to pass up an HTC One or iPhone 5 for this.
    It is WAY cheaper than iPhones and HTC One! It is an unsubsidiced price you moron, and the phone won't even be available on the US market EVER due to patent laws, so don't worry your head with things you do not understand and can not buy anyway.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by carewolf View Post
      It is WAY cheaper than iPhones and HTC One! It is an unsubsidiced price you moron, and the phone won't even be available on the US market EVER due to patent laws, so don't worry your head with things you do not understand and can not buy anyway.
      it sold out we may see it here

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      • #33
        Originally posted by mcirsta View Post
        Oh by the way a dual core really is enough for a phone if it's efficient, why the heck do you need 8 cores ? I mean it's not like you do anything serious on it, is it ? Can anyone here tell me what he really needs a quad core phone for ? I bought a 6 core Phenom II x6 because I need to compile code frequently, lots of it but for a phone ...
        Does it matter? I mean if you take this sentence in relation to the price you are probably right. But if you can get more cores for less money does they hurt? I mean arm per core is not so fast as like as example a core i7 so the amount of cores alone does not mean much. btw are there reasons for more cores... as example you could run ubuntu or enougher linux in a vm with only 2 cores and only 1 core for the guest it could become a bit slow. with a quadcore no problem.

        yes you dont need it... but as example I am typing here on a thinkpad zacate also dualcore x86 so shurly faster cores than the arm cores... I dont use flash, I dont play games (btw why not use the phone for such stuff?) I dont use java here... still with more then 2-3 tabs open I am not that happy with my experience here... will update to a quadcore kabini or something. And its not for compiling here stuff normal desktop usage, and of course as soon as you wanna use virtualisation this system is hell.

        So I dont see why the idle power of a quadcore arm should be much higher then a 2core version. so why should I care. should I not buy it because it has to much power-reserves?

        I have one advantage I can probable install this os also but you cant replace the low-resolution 720p with a 1080p display etc.

        and yes its even not totaly out of possiblity to install some linux like ubuntu as vm on the maschine connect it with a cable over hdmi to a monitor and use some input devies and have a mobile pc with you.

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        • #34
          But please no such failes like BT 4.0 hardware but only BT 2.1 by software.

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          • #35
            I can't understand how so many people here are trying to guess the fucking price of the phone, when the pre-orders time just ended this week and price was well set.

            I pre-odererd one and the total I'll have to pay for the phone with tazes included in europe will be 400 in total. I preordered with 100, so when they finally annouce it in the Q4 I'll just have to give 300.

            It's complete linux under, but I'm not sure yet how they are gonna play with how open the device will be, but trying to guess from previous ones like the N900 and N9 it will be probably ease to customize.


            So just please stop spreading bullshit. Just search a little about it.

            linux + qt / qml + wayland, I'm totally sold on it. With the other half possibly extending the phone with not yet totally defined options, god, it will be amazing. Not running dalvinik or other jvm in a minimun of a dual core cpu, will give more than enough processing for everyday use. Anyway will be more powerfull than my current laptop.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Teho View Post
              Quite a few details have already been confirmed. It's based on Mer (glibc, systemd, GNU coreutils & all) and Nemo Mobile. It uses Wayland, PulseAudio, oFono, GStreamer, Qt, Maliit...
              Well i failed to find mail server, cron and bootloader (u-boot?)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ramiliez View Post
                Well i failed to find mail server, cron and bootloader (u-boot?)
                When you have standard core os in place installing stuff like mail servers and cron is trivial.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                  I can't understand how so many people here are trying to guess the fucking price of the phone, when the pre-orders time just ended this week and price was well set.

                  I pre-odererd one and the total I'll have to pay for the phone with tazes included in europe will be 400 in total. I preordered with 100, so when they finally annouce it in the Q4 I'll just have to give 300.
                  The question isn't the price in Europe, it is the price in the U.S. At least here in Germany, the price of an electronic device in Euros is usually about the same as the price on the U.S. in dollars. So a 400 device here generally costs about $400 in the U.S., which doesn't make any sense in terms of exchange rates.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                    The question isn't the price in Europe, it is the price in the U.S. At least here in Germany, the price of an electronic device in Euros is usually about the same as the price on the U.S. in dollars. So a 400 device here generally costs about $400 in the U.S., which doesn't make any sense in terms of exchange rates.
                    Well I don't even think they are much concerned about US, their primary target is Asia and Europe with all the partnerships they already have.
                    But I believe they will do whatever is normal practices by those other big companys do when they sell there.

                    400 is in my acceptable range and I really like the software stack they are using as well the device itself, I think it's beautiful. And the interface is the first one that fucking makes sense when I look at it. I trully have problems understanding some os the interface in Android devices.

                    And it makes sense that the device is not yet annouced with full specs. If peple think about it they annouced it like one year ago, in the mean time technology advances, and without annoucing X or Y feature early on they can adapt and use more recent or capable hardware / features.

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                    • #40
                      I'm quite sure the hardware has been known for quite some time already. They just won't announce more details to give flexibility in marketing/get more publicity by revealing it at the right time.

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                      • #41
                        If I was one of the big players and a competitor to sailfish and wanted to block it I could/would buy out the stock for whatever components they announce leaving them liars and/or unable to launch or deliver since there is plenty of time to arrange that.
                        Like I did with the N9 I'll buy it to give the middle finger to that scumbag Elop. Plus um way..land

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Teho View Post
                          When you have standard core os in place installing stuff like mail servers and cron is trivial.
                          Cron is used for lot of tasks like rotating logs/cleaning /tmp and is in every install even in minimal.

                          Mailserver it is used for for daemons to send you info and users can send messages via mail out of the box on any install.

                          That doesn't mean that mailserver or cron aren't installable but it means internally Jolla OS works differently than GNU/Linux

                          Anyone knows which bootloader is Jolla going to use?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ramiliez View Post
                            Anyone knows which bootloader is Jolla going to use?
                            No, but it will be open so you can install whatever you want that support the hardware like ubuntu phone if it supports the hardware.
                            https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/346536550026313728


                            I like Jolla sailfish OS Qt/Qml, HTML5, androids apps and more.
                            If you want a free OS then install mer+nemo on the Jolla device but since gpu isn't known the gpu might be a problem or not.
                            I rather buy an Sailfish OS phone then a Android since i value my freedom.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Tiger_Coder View Post
                              500$ phone with this configuration? Although I would give them my best of luck but I highly doubt it will shine.
                              There's at least a dozen far larger players, then there's many more the same size or smaller, all vying for top-tier components.
                              What do you think that does to pricing for smaller players with next to no budget compared to the bigger players?
                              There's no way a tiny start-up like Jolla can play the same hw game that the larger handset makers do, unless they like to live very dangerously*
                              They need to play the long game, play it safer, if they're to last more than 18 more months...
                              That means going for mid-range specs, perhaps even slightly worse than that, & they won't be able to offer it at a price as competitive as larger players can.
                              And not just because of the worse pricing they'll get on components, but also because they're building a entire sw stack/ecosystem, logistics/distribution/support infra (it goes on).
                              The users that see value in Sailfish(Jolla), will be the ones that appreciate being able to use sw/content sources of "their choosing", plus the stuff that's "native".
                              The other way they'll differentiate, is through real innovation (a rarity in this industry in recent yrs) in the in the form of hw augmentation, think PC days (but not quite), when users could make all sort of hw changes of their choosing.
                              It remains to be seen how truly ambitious this "Other Half" concept is, it may turn out to be no more than a NFC triggered sw autorun, if that's all it is, then they've given themselves a big uppercut by (vaguely) asserting otherwise quite often in their communications.
                              But bottom-line, there is still value in what they're doing, for those that can see/appreciate it...
                              By the way, the 100EUD pre-order is closed, but they have recently opted to keep the free pre-order going for the time being, so pre-orders are not "completely" closed, yet.

                              Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                              If peple think about it they annouced it like one year ago, in the mean time technology advances...
                              They announced themselves as a company about 1yr & 1wk ago (they were properly formed & working as a co. from Jan/Feb 12'), they did not announce any devices, or even their main plans & core sw then.


                              *assuming they can even get the best hw in the 1st place, which is already unlikely, when much larger co's often buy up inventory
                              Last edited by jalyst; 07-14-2013, 10:33 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by mark45 View Post
                                Somewhat agree, but the hw is only half of the product, the other half is the sw.
                                You don't need a quad core cpu on a phone, unless your apps are running on half-native/interpreted goo like Java/Dalvik, which is also sucking a lot more memory and doing garbage collection (gc) which leads to hiccups => the experience playing a game is better on a dual-core CPU in C++ than with Java on a quad core cause you can't normally escape gc with Java or with other (half)interpreted crap.
                                Wayland is also better than SurficeFlinger.
                                I just love how halfwit's attack what they don't understand, with other things they don't understand. The end result is that they end up putting in a good word for what they're attacking, because their brainless attack always makes the opposite impression than what they were aiming for.

                                Just a little FYI: The reason google picked the APQ8064 quad core for the nexus 4 rather than the dual core MSM8260A or MSM8960 was because it had the Adreno 320 GPU rather than the older and slower Adreno 225, not because it had 4 cpu cores. Their next phone, the moto-X "made in America", is a dual core MSM8960T, which is basically the same MSM8960, but with the upgraded GPU core.

                                And a little lesson;
                                1) Android GC is not the same as java GC, it doesn't cause the whole system to chop up.
                                2) GC only happens for... get this... java applications. Most applications that actually do any significant lifting run native binaries. That means C/C++ on bare metal.

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