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  • #46
    Originally posted by Siekacz View Post
    Michael, you didn't need to publish this and the previous articles. That just made everyone pissed off. I would leave it alone without any coverage of the private side on the Phoronix, I would just ignore kickback offers and other messages. Scott just got crazy after being kicked off from the Wayland project and I bet your publication of his emails made him go even crazier...
    Originally posted by MartinN View Post
    Maybe we should cut Scott some slack.... he might be clinically depressed. Last thing we want is something bad to happen as a result of these back and forths. Reacting only fuels the fire - so it'd be best if you didn't cover it nor respond to anyone, Scott or not, on the subject of this fork.
    I agree.

    Although it may seem somewhat comical, all this drama may have best been taken care of behind the scenes. Nevertheless, I understand that many geek people don't have such subtle social skills.




    I hope I wrote that sentence right, english is not my mother-tongue

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    • #47
      Originally posted by MartinN View Post
      Maybe we should cut Scott some slack.... he might be clinically depressed. Last thing we want is something bad to happen as a result of these back and forths. Reacting only fuels the fire - so it'd be best if you didn't cover it nor respond to anyone, Scott or not, on the subject of this fork.
      Yes, you are actually spot on here MartinN. You see, I've been depressed for a long time living in apartments. Apartment life sucks. It is depressing and in-real-life frustrations often come out through IRC. IRC has helped me develop social skills I might otherwise have not developed. IRC has allowed me a way to cope by finding small rewards in doing support for compiz and wayland, helping people out and doing what I do best. I hope that people understand that IRC is a big part of my life and I do not take it lightly. I have done a lot of hand holding over the years. Many users just need help fast.

      I needed help to develop a website fast and I was able to do it, without knowing much, because a volunteer just wanted to help out and he was bored at his .uk IT job. Here is a rather interesting piece of personal history I would now like to share with everyone.

      http://www.northfield.ws/304-2/

      Thank You,

      Scott Moreau
      Last edited by soreau; 04-02-2013, 09:55 PM.

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      • #48
        First Google Hit

        Originally posted by hubick View Post
        At least now a Google search for "Scott Moreau" will yield some more "juicy tidbits" for potential employers. The internet is forever.
        Why not try the more distinguishing 'soreau' name?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
          2nd you say they ignore him, thats not true, one of em even offered him that they will let him back to the irc channel if he agrees to change his behaviour in the future. and he did not so its his free choice.
          This is a false statement. The only ones with ops in #wayland are:

          >chanserv< access #wayland list
          -ChanServ- ntry Nickname/Host Flags
          -ChanServ- ---- ---------------------- -----
          -ChanServ- *!*@freenode/staff/* +Aiotv [modified 3 years, 25 weeks, 6 days, 07:34:56 ago]
          -ChanServ- krh +AFRfiorstv [modified 51 weeks, 0 days, 03:24:06 ago]
          -ChanServ- airlied +Aov [modified 2 years, 20 weeks, 0 days, 04:46:22 ago]
          -ChanServ- agd5f +Aov [modified 2 years, 20 weeks, 0 days, 04:46:19 ago]
          -ChanServ- ajax +Aov [modified 2 years, 20 weeks, 0 days, 04:46:15 ago]
          -ChanServ- ---- ---------------------- -----
          -ChanServ- nd of #wayland FLAGS listing.

          (sorry for cut off letters, xchat bug)

          And not one of them has made such an offer to me.
          Last edited by soreau; 04-02-2013, 10:52 PM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by soreau View Post
            This is a false statement. The only ones with ops in #wayland are:

            >chanserv< access #wayland list
            -ChanServ- ntry Nickname/Host Flags
            -ChanServ- ---- ---------------------- -----
            -ChanServ- *!*@freenode/staff/* +Aiotv [modified 3 years, 25 weeks, 6 days, 07:34:56 ago]
            -ChanServ- krh +AFRfiorstv [modified 51 weeks, 0 days, 03:24:06 ago]
            -ChanServ- airlied +Aov [modified 2 years, 20 weeks, 0 days, 04:46:22 ago]
            -ChanServ- agd5f +Aov [modified 2 years, 20 weeks, 0 days, 04:46:19 ago]
            -ChanServ- ajax +Aov [modified 2 years, 20 weeks, 0 days, 04:46:15 ago]
            -ChanServ- ---- ---------------------- -----
            -ChanServ- nd of #wayland FLAGS listing.

            (sorry for cut off letters, xchat bug)

            And not one of them has made such an offer to me.
            Update: I just now changed my IRC nick and restarted my xchat client. I was surprised to find that I am not banned from #wayland under my new nick. I noticed this because my client is set to automatically join this channel. I observed the banlist with the folling command and output:

            /mode #wayland +b
            * #wayland Banlist: Wed Mar 27 10:32:33 *!*@ool-182e02bb.dyn.optonline.net morgan.freenode.net
            * #wayland Banlist: Wed Mar 27 10:32:33 *!*cartino@*.100.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee morgan.freenode.net
            * #wayland Banlist: Wed Mar 27 10:32:33 *!*58c4649f@*.88.196.100.159 morgan.freenode.net
            * #wayland Banlist: Wed Mar 27 10:32:33 *!*@*lap.ee morgan.freenode.net
            * #wayland Banlist: Wed Mar 27 10:32:33 *!6379cacc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.121.202.204 morgan.freenode.net
            * #wayland Banlist: Wed Mar 27 10:32:33 *!*58c4649f@*.vistech.net morgan.freenode.net
            * #wayland Banlist: Wed Mar 27 10:32:33 *!*soreau@unaffiliated/soreau morgan.freenode.net
            * #wayland :End of Channel Ban List

            This means I must leave the channel, since the ban is till in place. I have now removed it from my IRC client's auto-connect list until the ban is lifted.
            Last edited by soreau; 04-02-2013, 11:24 PM.

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            • #51
              Message to Michael Larabel

              <continued from last email>Furthermore, I know good and well what anyone puts on their site is their business. What I will not be posting on my site, is any of your works here as the Jerry Springer of Linux.</end continued from last email>


              Consider this my friendly roasting of you Michael Larabel, for your great works. You thought my excitement was fake, but the joke, is on you. I gave you a chance to respond through email even offering you to join me on IRC but you do not readily use IRC to communicate it seems, as I have not noticed you idling in the IRC channel, and you did not reply to my exciting emails. I would have told you more, but didn't want to blow up your cell phone *too* much.




              Cheers,


              Scott Moreau
              Last edited by soreau; 04-03-2013, 12:34 AM.

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              • #52
                This guy seems to be awfully full of himself. Writing about yourself in the third person and praising your brilliance like that is a red flag and makes me want to do that one rude hand gesture that involves gripping an invisible thing and stroking it. You know the one.

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                • #53
                  Re: The Wayland/Weston Fork Is Now &quot;Banned&quot;

                  We could play the endless "what if" -game about whether or not Michael should or should not have posted the original news about the fork or the four page article "Why Wayland & Weston Were Forked" written by Scott Moreau. But since he did, I think the following news posts were in order. They clarified the situation a lot (and so did the comments on the news/articles). And I also think that the decision not to post further new or articles was also right.

                  Depression or in the matter of fact any other psychiatric disorder are not to be taken lightly. And like a previous poster said, a person who is afflicted by one such disorder often don't realize it nor do they seek actively help (professional or otherwise). Whether Moreau has one: I don't know. I'm not a professional nor do I think any professional would be comfortable making such diagnose without seeing the patient in person first. Generally speaking, to anyone contemplating whether or not they have a psychiatric disorder or not: don't. Seek professional advise about it. It won't hurt you even if it turns out you don't have one.

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                  • #54
                    This arcticle is not good

                    I signed up because for the first time i felt like i had to say something about what i read here.

                    Mike you're being immature about this, while i completely understand where you're coming from, consider the fact that poor Scott might just have some mental problems, i'm guessing he may be autistic or something along those lines.

                    He may not be as much of a genius as he claims to be, but at least i think the poor guy has been working hard on his projects, and loves them. The good thing is that those projects are open-sourced and free right? meaning everyone can benefit.

                    In the future if you end up in similar situations please try to understand that there are some people who have problems, and in those cases instead of speaking down to them you should ignore them completely. If you find that you have to say something keep it on a level where you are not insulting anyone.

                    Publishing emails someone sent you in private is much worse for your reputation than his no matter what he wrote in belief that only you would read them. That's my take on this.

                    It would've been enough to know that there will be no Northfield/Norwood fork for wayland because its developer was being rude and immature, you didn't have to be rude and point fingers and putting him down, you didn't even have to name him! this makes you just as bad as him. The worst part is that you did it publically on a news website instead of just responding to him in an e-mail if you really had to tell him that he's being childish as all hell.

                    -You don't have to be good with communicating with others to be an excellent programmer- <- This is reality.Next time think of these things instead of getting mad.All you did was fuel the guys emotions whatever they were, which can lead to serious things such as termination of his project or worse, his own life. (But a guy that speaks that highly of him self probably wouldn't commit suicide so i don't worry.)
                    Last edited by rabcor; 04-03-2013, 07:03 AM.

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                    • #55
                      It's a fairly common story in the tech world

                      Self taught.
                      Self important.
                      Self righteous.
                      Self destructive.

                      The End.

                      (Now can we please stop making excuses for people with "issues?" )

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Votre View Post
                        Self taught.
                        Self important.
                        Self righteous.
                        Self destructive.

                        The End.

                        (Now can we please stop making excuses for people with "issues?" )
                        Well, many quite good people is self taught. There's a difference between that and the possible "issues" you are suggesting, official studies doesn't mean having a proper professional too (self disciplined, proper development of social skills, robust mentality, creative).

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                          This. Maturity on dealing with situtions and people is a rare thing on the internet. Something Michael's post shows that he lacks. Personal emails and communication, unless otherwise stated by the sending and receiving client, should as always remain private. Its embarassing for Michael, a supposed journalist, to make this open to everyone. A clear violation of journalistic rigor and ethics.
                          +1

                          I'm a daily Phoronix reader and lover, and I respect Michael. I actually kind of like how he is different from other journalists. But this was a huge mistake. If Michael doesn't like the guy or his attitude, he should have just ignored him. Even if Scott deserved some public emberassment, news sites just don't do that!

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by ultimA View Post
                            +1

                            I'm a daily Phoronix reader and lover, and I respect Michael. I actually kind of like how he is different from other journalists. But this was a huge mistake. If Michael doesn't like the guy or his attitude, he should have just ignored him. Even if Scott deserved some public emberassment, news sites just don't do that!
                            +1

                            I agree whole heartedly.

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                            • #59
                              posting because i want to show my support for some comments made by others that express my sentiments exactly:
                              +1 @ dh04000 (quoted post on this page)
                              +1 @ ultimA (this page)
                              +1 @ rabcor (prev page)

                              @michael, you're running a business, if you want people to take you and your site seriously you can't pull this kind of shit. i don't give a fuck what this guy did, you're supposed to be the "professional" here. this whole situation reflects far worse on you. i really hope this and the last article on the matter are pulled from the site, write a new (mature) one in its place if you must.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Nevertime View Post
                                Why aren't there more people like you on the internet?
                                I noted the same thing. About his observation, and yours. It's far to easy to become irrational for whatever reason when parking your date in front of a PC. It's almost as if it artificially inflates a persons ego, sensibilities or emotions beyond reason. Hell, he could even be a normal guy when he's not gawking at a PC. I know I'm quite often like that....I become zombie like and incapable of sustaining a simple conversation.

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