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  • #76
    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
    so its not ok that you say that somebody is maybe sick or is maybe in danger to get sick, but its ok to call somebody "nazi" and "piece of shit"

    I understand with his anwer and your answers even more why he got banned, I just wonder how he worked so long (how long) together. that it was even possible to work with somebody like this and his "friends" for so long...


    he is so bad, he cant even say something about my arguments he just anwers to 99% of my points that its bad english. he totaly understands it, its valid points at one point he even says that I am right:

    YES .... And you can't even take the time out to spell 'apologize' correctly.


    oh I really waste my time.

    he will only search my spelling mistakes and think because of that he made my points bad. Its even a bit xenophobic or foreigner discriminating, so you dont even take somebody seriously or think making fun of the bad english of somebody is enough to make his points not valid.

    And thats one mechanic of trolls, I run over very often, it even happens sometimes in my language.

    So I have maybe problems with this foreign language but at least I am not self centric ashole...


    Calling me nazi, maybe its funnier in your country but I am a german guy, so we its basicly the worst thing you could call me. And that after winning that I called somebody else MAYBE a psychopath.

    But go with it, maybe I should not have wrote that word... So it would be ok if I wrote he is a liar, because I can (or he did) proove it, and that would not be a problem when he searches a job, but that somebody said he is MAYBE or in DANGER TO GET a psychopath is a problem, because search engines cut out the MAYBE and other words?

    Sorry if beeing called a troll on several sites (golem.de as example) and being a liar is not hindering you getting a job but this anonymous call to be a psychopath (MAYBE) I dont think that really hurts more.

    And btw, on Banks and even on some Manager positions are people there was just a study that are even more unsocial than psychopaths, so I think being called psychopath could open you doors to jobs, believe me many companies exactly search psychopaths.


    http://www.manager-magazin.de/finanz...788285,00.html


    But I try to not answer here again, because it makes no sense, its no argument based discussions, its a I dont want to say something to the argument, so I instead I just point to spelling mistakes, that makes me look better.

    Just to give you material to answer to the form instead of the content, just to make me look bad I am not willing... I stay to what I said, I regret that I called you this word, I thought the maybe and beeing in danger is enough, so I did choose my words, I just dont think like a google-serrch a.i. and dont messure my words if a a.i. could understand my wrong because its to stupid.


    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-788462.html

    here a english source for the psychopath thing... just to spair you the time using google translate or soemthing like that.
    So what you're trying to say here is that you're an ass and that you don't have any problems in making biased and damaging remarks about a person's mental capacity?
    Well, thanks for clearing that up.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by intellivision View Post
      So what you're trying to say here is that you're an ass and that you don't have any problems in making biased and damaging remarks about a person's mental capacity?
      Well, thanks for clearing that up.
      Sorry that leads me into making another call to a mental state of a person here, and because you dont use the clear name, its ok I learned.

      So whats the diagnose to somebody who halluzinates seeing stuff thats not there, it could be that you have a schizofrenie.


      Btw another interesting tactic of trolls, dont ever argue why you did something, or why you did something wrong, just attack attack and blame the other one...

      isnt there a english saying like name him, blame him, shame him.

      The only thing I said about soreau or in generall about the wayland devs was that I think I can understand why they dont want to get a very improved weston.

      What me got angre was that soreau did try to make him look with his statement that he is the victom and other people did harm him by not dealing with him accordingly. Then I saw that he did lie, and how he totaly ticked out, and was self centric. So now I am the ass because of getting angree with a good reason. And he is not a ashole, because he got angree without a good reason.

      its just to sick I wont feeding this.

      Go on insult me more I will not respont to it, have fun, If I would be a lead developer I would have banned you too, I totaly understand it, go on with your good work, wayland devs.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
        If I would be a lead developer I would have banned you too
        The feeling is mutual.
        Saying someone is a psychopath without any medical evidence to back up that claim is unprofessional and I wouldn't tolerate it in any project I would be leading.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by intellivision View Post
          The feeling is mutual.
          Saying someone is a psychopath without any medical evidence to back up that claim is unprofessional and I wouldn't tolerate it in any project I would be leading.
          Intellivision, I'm a pretty level headed person, and I just read through 4 pages of comments to get caught up on this thread.... and I gotta say: If soreau ISNT a psychopath, he's definitely got EXTREME anger issues that need to be worked out. I mean thats worse than asdx ever was, or Linus when someone breaks compatibility in the kernel.

          Good for him for being passionate about the project, you need passion. Good for him for being experienced, ya need experience. Good for him for being willing to take the action of forking wayland/weston to get the job done, ya need to be decisive to lead. But you also need to have self control under stress, you need to be charismatic, you need to be able to keep morale up if you're going to lead... and judging from the IRC chatlogs and the way he's handled these forum posts, he severely lacks those last few qualities.

          If Daniel or krh weren't accepting his patches, it would have been for a good reason. Now that the protocol has been stabilized, and they are promising backwards compatibility, they need to be very careful about what gets mainlined. I'm not saying the review process may not have been slow, maybe even stagnant. But there is definitely more to this than either Daniel or soreau are both saying.

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          • #80
            And now I generally agree with Ericg.

            No, most people are not complete assholes when they are angry. The general idea is not to be angry in the first place, actually. You're supposed to stop and think about the situation, and then reply in a constructive manner. Go take a cup of tea before replying. Calling names will only get you out the door, but definitely not your point across. And you also seem to be a bit too egoistical for your own good. It may or may not be deserved, only time will tell.

            About the whole situation, it feels like a fork is the right thing to do in the short term. In the long term they could be merged back, or one could become obsolete. But only time will tell. Also, there is no real reason for both parties to be mad at each other. What's done is done, making relations even worse will only result in the FFmpeg/libav split, and that's not optimal in the slightest. Both parties still need to cooperate and exchange ideas - the goals are the same, after all, the only difference is the review process.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
              About the whole situation, it feels like a fork is the right thing to do in the short term. In the long term they could be merged back, or one could become obsolete. But only time will tell. Also, there is no real reason for both parties to be mad at each other. What's done is done, making relations even worse will only result in the FFmpeg/libav split, and that's not optimal in the slightest. Both parties still need to cooperate and exchange ideas - the goals are the same, after all, the only difference is the review process.
              This seems a lot more like the calligra/koffice split to me. One person on the team was extremely hard to deal with, so the rest just decided "fuck it, we aren't dealing with this anymore" and booted him off the team. Calligra is now moving ahead at a faster pace than ever after the motivation-killer left, and no one has heard anything from koffice in a long, long time.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                I am sorry I want not to insult him or fuel his anger, or something, I just think he is a psychopath or at least he is in danger to become one.
                Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                Saying someone is a psychopath without any medical evidence


                So most of you here should have programming skills, so the basic behind logical terms like OR should be there. If not maybe if you work as programmer or admin where you also need to write some scripts quit your job.

                If I say you are a ashole or a not easy person, its you that thinks that I hit the point with the ashole not me...

                I also find it funny that somebody 3rd thinks he has to point me to that point again and again, even after I kind of apoledgised, for even something I did not say, but that I did not think of how a search engine a.i. could be to stupid to ignore the OR.

                So if that would really get a problem for him, the question is whos fault is that. There is first his ashole behaviour, Second me responding to it, and 3rd a bad search engine programmer, and 4. a company or a boss of a company that gives a shit some anonymous man in a forum said in anger.

                And again why do you defend him so hard because of my statement but if Pallidus calls me a nazi (no or) and a piece of shit.

                I mean lets be real, if somebody is a peace of shit he is not even a human, if somebody is sick, he needs help but is not even responsible of his doings. So I gave him even a possible excuse for his behaviour.



                But I would have quit your group anyway and silencly made a fork, and maybe even just used it for myself, what every normal person does, you make a pull... then you do your stuff, and if nobody wants your stuff, use it for yourself, and maybe if not in 5 minutes you have uploaded it to github.

                I dont even understand why somebody can make such a big deal of nothing.

                Sorry I answered again, but I cant believe how somebody can make such big deal out of one word, and even not accept a apolodgise.

                The problem with soreau was not that he did say 1 time 1 wrong word, he said again and again and again stupid shit. like the irc logs logs show. So dont try to focus on me using one wrong word out of context ( OR ) because I am used to talk to anonymous people in forums and did not think about that.

                I just wanted to give my opinion to that, its not like politicans or celebrities got not 100 times insulting messages, that are maybe often wrong. its the price of beeing a known person. And if the press reports about someone, he gets a public person. So there are other rules against public persons. (there are maybe different grades how public a person is and how "famous") but thats a question I dont want to think here for hours


                UPDATE:

                BTW which boss googles "person I am interested in" psychopath ? Or is there a tags-applied.google.com subsite I dont know off?


                And I thought I am paranoid, not using facebook and twitter.


                Btw another mistake by you, you said I would have called him a psychopath, even if you ignore the OR its wrong, I said I THINK he is. I did not say I give the diagnose that he is a ...
                Last edited by blackiwid; 03-28-2013, 08:32 AM.

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                • #83
                  I wonder when Phoronix starts selling popcorn.

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                  • #84
                    Wow. This thread has been utterly shameful.

                    I'm a professional programmer; I've never been involved in a FOSS project before, but I always imagined they operated pretty similar to corporate projects - perhaps with more relaxed deadlines.

                    For the same reason that I couldn't imagine myself, or any of my work colleagues, getting into a screaming contest in the office - I really didn't think I would see that in a FOSS project either. There are always going to be people you may not like at work, but you still treat them with courtesy and respect because it creates a good working environment despite your differences. Unfortunately it seems that taking away the money and face-to-face contact has destroyed that.

                    There seems to be some big egos around here, perhaps shining a light on their interpersonal skills may bring them down a peg or two.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by cbamber85 View Post
                      Wow. This thread has been utterly shameful.
                      Yes.

                      Originally posted by cbamber85 View Post
                      For the same reason that I couldn't imagine myself, or any of my work colleagues, getting into a screaming contest in the office - I really didn't think I would see that in a FOSS project either. There are always going to be people you may not like at work, but you still treat them with courtesy and respect because it creates a good working environment despite your differences. Unfortunately it seems that taking away the money and face-to-face contact has destroyed that.
                      Agreed. Do you feel anybody who was involved, other than soreau, has not been courteous and respectful? He has admitted being discourteous and disrespectful to everyone in the project for a year, and said he doesn't believe that matters. The only screaming came from soreau. I think everybody else involved has shown incredible restraint.

                      12:28 < soreau> I DONT GIVE A SHIT what you ignorant people think about attitude, politics and a bunch of crap that doesn't even matter
                      ...
                      12:32 < Darxus> soreau: FYI, not giving a shit about people is exactly your problem.
                      12:32 < soreau> Darxus: You're a fucking idiot

                      So we had one problem person, and took too long to kick him out. When we did, there was some public outcry because it could easily seem from the outside that it was inappropriate to kick him out. We were asked to explain it, so we did. And then soreau has tried to use the situation to gain an audience, and a couple of us have pointed out the problems with his arguments.

                      It's possible you're interpreting some unfortunate participation from the peanut gallery as being others actually involved in the project. Both in IRC logs and elsewhere.
                      Last edited by Darxus; 03-28-2013, 10:49 AM. Reason: Replaced "uncourteous" with "discourteous".

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by cbamber85 View Post
                        For the same reason that I couldn't imagine myself, or any of my work colleagues, getting into a screaming contest in the office - I really didn't think I would see that in a FOSS project either. There are always going to be people you may not like at work, but you still treat them with courtesy and respect because it creates a good working environment despite your differences. Unfortunately it seems that taking away the money and face-to-face contact has destroyed that.
                        Nah, the difference between software companies and FOSS projects is that the latter are completely open for everyone to see, thus are easy news targets when things like that happen. In a company, if something like that happened, the press would not be there to see it happening. Plus, in FOSS you are free to create forks, and you can't fork a company just because you thought your boss was being mean. So conflicts like that do happen in both cases, and in both cases these events are very rare, just that it's much easier to see such events when the whole process is completely transparent to outsiders.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by cbamber85 View Post
                          Wow. This thread has been utterly shameful.

                          I'm a professional programmer; I've never been involved in a FOSS project before, but I always imagined they operated pretty similar to corporate projects - perhaps with more relaxed deadlines.

                          For the same reason that I couldn't imagine myself, or any of my work colleagues, getting into a screaming contest in the office - I really didn't think I would see that in a FOSS project either. There are always going to be people you may not like at work, but you still treat them with courtesy and respect because it creates a good working environment despite your differences. Unfortunately it seems that taking away the money and face-to-face contact has destroyed that.

                          There seems to be some big egos around here, perhaps shining a light on their interpersonal skills may bring them down a peg or two.
                          You don't code for FOSS because you're getting paid to do it, you do it because you're passionate about it. And when you're Pssionate about something, you're gonna get passionately defensive about it.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                            You don't code for FOSS because you're getting paid to do it
                            Well, some do...

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by dee. View Post
                              Well, some do...
                              I was speaking on the whole dee. Even those working at red hat probably chose red hat because they were passionate about the work and open source.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                                So most of you here should have programming skills, so the basic behind logical terms like OR should be there. If not maybe if you work as programmer or admin where you also need to write some scripts quit your job.
                                [...]
                                Sorry I answered again, but I cant believe how somebody can make such big deal out of one word, and even not accept a apolodgise.
                                Firstly, the OR statement that you made was essentially the same thing. You called him a psychopath OR almost a psychopath. And you think that's any better?
                                In many countries this sort of accusation could be considered slander and it could open you up to legal action. Just a heads up before you go about making wild inaccurate claims in the future. Lawyers are damned expensive, you know.

                                Secondly, what apology? There was nothing in there that was structured or spelt close to an apology.

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