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    Phoronix: GNOME Will Move Full-Speed With Wayland Support

    We already know that KDE developers aren't fond of Mir, Canonical's display server for the Unity desktop not derived from X.Org and Wayland. KDE developers aren't happy about it, some Xfce developers have also expressed dissatisfaction with the recent Canonical changes, and now there's a GNOME response. What's GNOME doing about Mir? They're laying out plans right now to move hard and fast with Wayland support!..

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMyNjQ

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    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: GNOME Will Move Full-Speed With Wayland Support

    We already know that KDE developers aren't fond of Mir, Canonical's display server for the Unity desktop not derived from X.Org and Wayland. KDE developers aren't happy about it, some Xfce developers have also expressed dissatisfaction with the recent Canonical changes, and now there's a GNOME response. What's GNOME doing about Mir? They're laying out plans right now to move hard and fast with Wayland support!..
    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMyNjQ
    See Mir is a good thing, we should have Wayland adoption in no time now =).

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    • #3
      Sounds like they are on about the same plan KDE is now

      Exciting times.

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      • #4
        do you need the driver to support wayland even if you running just xwayland on top? what about the DE, how much of it has to be ready so that you can run xwayland?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by garegin View Post
          do you need the driver to support wayland even if you running just xwayland on top? what about the DE, how much of it has to be ready so that you can run xwayland?
          The base of the system has to be supported by the driver.

          If your driver supports Wayland, you run Wayland and X-Wayland on top to transparently handle backwards compatibility.

          If it doesn't, then you have to run X like normal. However, you can run Wayland as a layer on top of that for Wayland-specific apps if you want to.

          I suspect it won't take the NVidia drivers too long to support Wayland, though. They've clearly been looking at EGL support for months, it's just a matter of when it will happen at this point. ATI, of course, who knows. I'm guessing they'll probably make it a priority once NVidia gets support for it, but you never know what's going to happen with those drivers.

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          • #6
            I knew it was healthy to have rivalry, despite the many Mir haters. It benefits everyone having Wayland AND Mir. Now us users will get to benefit sooner than any of us anticipated

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            • #7
              So they are essentially saying "we should push wayland out with the same timeframe as canonical deploys Mir in a LTS release."

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              • #8
                Great news. I'd like to see wayland-based gnome-shell at first.

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                • #9
                  What if Wayland moves its ass once for all? It is almost vaporware.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by nightmarex View Post
                    See Mir is a good thing, we should have Wayland adoption in no time now =).
                    One more benefit.

                    Ubuntu as distro blessed by Valve WILL land in Steam Box. Hence Canonical have BIGGER leverage over AMD/Nvidia to commit to supporting something new in their gpu drivers (or else they risk missing profits from selling GPU's in those Steam Box'es).

                    Wayland do not have that leverage.
                    (Tizen will use wayland, but do not know if they choose weston or roll their own solution, and have no idea what requirements there will be for gpu drivers there, nor if Tizen Wayland implementation will be license-compatible with Weston).

                    So if Weston folks will wont use API's developed for Mir, than we also gain Wayland on proprietary blobs faster.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Alex Sarmiento View Post
                      What if Wayland moves its ass once for all? It is almost vaporware.
                      It's more like the desktops have to move their asses. The specification of Wayland is already finished.

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                      • #12
                        The problem here is that Weston is a reference implementation. Not really meant to be final form since its design was cooked up when Wayland was much more primitive.

                        So what really would be needed to get everything imaginable out of Wayland, would be to write a compositor from scratch.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by nightmarex View Post
                          See Mir is a good thing, we should have Wayland adoption in no time now =).
                          haha, my thoguhts. seems mir is speeding up all other projects.

                          thank you canonical

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                          • #14
                            The announcement was probably meant to discourage Ubuntu from Mir. Since Gnome refuses to support Mir, then Ubuntu will have to actually contribute back or totally make up their own desktop envirnment. I can't speak for Gnome, but I know KDE is already full speed ahead for Wayland.

                            The take-away: Canonical stands alone.

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                            • #15
                              I love Mir!

                              It gave such a nice kick in the ass to everyone who was working on Wayland , out of complacency and into action.

                              Thank you Mark et al! If that was your plan all along, that's just pure genius!

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