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  • #16
    Originally posted by johnc View Post
    I'm thinking there might be some miscommunication or something. Wayland is working with PowerVR, Qualcomm, Tegra and Exynos drivers as Ubuntu Touch is? That's surprising to me. Even still, I'd have to think that a massaged Android version is more mature than Wayland for these cases.
    Even if it's true (they're more mature) - what is easier, to write your own display server or join forces with the rest of the players behind Wayland and get those companies to improve their drivers? Me thinks the latter is the clearly better option.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ryao View Post
      It is their company. What their developers do is none of your business.
      But that does not change the fact that what they are doing is likely to be destructive. And just because someone has the right to does not give them the right not to be criticized for it. So can we drop this line now?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by mark45 View Post
        Those were my words and commenting them is none of your business. There, I reply to assholes like an asshole too.
        You could say that the motivation for MIR in the wiki is like the marketing for openrc some times ago

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        • #19
          This is why I left Ubuntu and it's derivatives and am now pushing people i introduce to Linux to use alternative distrobutions. Ubuntu is going downhill pretty fast.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by mark45 View Post
            Even if it's true (they're more mature) - what is easier, to write your own display server or join forces with the rest of the players behind Wayland and get those companies to improve their drivers? Me thinks the latter is the clearly better option.
            I think that for the desktop, the latter is the better option. But for the mobile space I think just a fork of Android's solution would be the best way to go, especially considering how they really want to ship products ASAP.

            But converging both form factors into a single display tech is what gets me queasy. We've seen this rodeo played out a few times now and it doesn't end pretty.

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            • #21
              The compositor hierarchy ends on the session level, and no tight integration into the system from boot time onward is available. For that reason, there is a visible glitch when transitioning the system from a VT-level to the graphical shell level.
              The motivation is obviously to have the Ubuntu logo rotating on a cube during boot. Go Ubuntu Go!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by johnc View Post
                MS shot itself in the foot with Win8 but the Linux community blew off all its arms and legs in the meantime.
                Well said... KDE4 and Gnome3 have been huge let downs compared to much stronger past releases.

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                • #23
                  And to add, this is a snippiet of a discussion that went down on the #Wayland IRC that was posted.
                  http://pastebin.com/KjRm3be1

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by jmcharron View Post
                    Well said... KDE4 and Gnome3 have been huge let downs compared to much stronger past releases.
                    naa, both is much better than they ever was before or any of the other competitors in the linux space is now..

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Prescience500 View Post
                      This is why I left Ubuntu and it's derivatives and am now pushing people i introduce to Linux to use alternative distrobutions. Ubuntu is going downhill pretty fast.
                      (I do agree with your sentiment - gratuitous differences, not being a member of the community, NIH, CLA etc really are making Ubuntu undesirable.)

                      Out of curiosity what distributions do you push people to? As far as I can tell Ubuntu is the least worst along various dimensions such as freshness (new package versions but not too bleeding edge), not requiring assembly (arch, gentoo), support (instructions and packages almost always exist), release cycles (fedora seems to have issues) and ability for anyone from beginners to the experienced to get going.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by grotgrot View Post
                        Out of curiosity what distributions do you push people to? As far as I can tell Ubuntu is the least worst along various dimensions such as freshness (new package versions but not too bleeding edge), not requiring assembly (arch, gentoo), support (instructions and packages almost always exist), release cycles (fedora seems to have issues) and ability for anyone from beginners to the experienced to get going.
                        Fedora's "issues" are over-hyped and I would say that Fedora is just as capable as Ubuntu for use by beginners, although the idea of a six-month release distribution for beginners does still seem a bit odd to me. Plus with Ubuntu pulling shit like this it makes me want to suggest people join the sanity of the Red Hat camp especially. That said, I am on Arch now, but that is certainly not for beginners or the weak of heart.

                        Mageia and OpenSUSE look to be pretty good too, and might actually be better for new users.
                        Last edited by Hamish Wilson; 03-04-2013, 10:27 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by nerdopolis View Post
                          And to add, this is a snippiet of a discussion that went down on the #Wayland IRC that was posted.
                          http://pastebin.com/KjRm3be1
                          Thank you very much for this! Finally a discussion between Wayland and Mir devs.

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                          • #28
                            sing

                            RedHat Guts Gnome and nobody cares
                            RedHat Guts X and nobody cares
                            RedHat Guts Linux and nobody cared

                            The masters gone away.



                            Mir may be good or it may go out in a blaze of glory.

                            Either way, people have been bitching about Ubuntu for years now but we've been quietly using it to bitch with.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by squirrl View Post
                              RedHat Guts Gnome and nobody cares
                              RedHat Guts X and nobody cares
                              RedHat Guts Linux and nobody cared

                              The masters gone away.



                              Mir may be good or it may go out in a blaze of glory.

                              Either way, people have been bitching about Ubuntu for years now but we've been quietly using it to bitch with.
                              True. If Ubuntu goes completely down the toilet I'll probably end up going back to Windows or maybe moving over to OS X. There really is no compelling Linux desktop alternative for me at this time.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                                Fedora's "issues" are over-hyped and I would say that Fedora is just as capable as Ubuntu for use by beginners ...
                                It has been a while since I tried Fedora, but the general vibes I get are very short support cycles and that if you have a problem and Google it you will be less likely to find an answer than if you had the same problem on Ubuntu. The equivalents to PPAs also seem less plentiful/popular. I also hated using Fedora as a developer because it was secure - things wouldn't work and I'd have to track error messages and magic incantations to let me do whatever I wanted. As for the others, my concern is things like installing Chrome, Virtualbox, Steam and similar software which all choose only a subset of Linux distros to mention and is an issue for new users.

                                But that is why I was asking Prescience500 what he recommends to see what his experience has been.

                                I keep trying Arch especially because it hasn't diverged like Ubuntu (eg uses systemd) and apparently provides means of installing Chrome etc, but always have installation problems and eventually lose patience.

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