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    Phoronix: Android Support Removed From Wayland's Weston

    The Android back-end for Wayland's Weston compositor is being dropped thereby losing support for Google's mobile operating system on Wayland...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI4Mjk

  • #2
    Kill it with fire.

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    • #3
      Difference?

      What is the difference of Wayland and the Android display server?

      Why were Wayland developed instead of re-use the Android display server on the Linux desktop?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
        What is the difference of Wayland and the Android display server?

        Why were Wayland developed instead of re-use the Android display server on the Linux desktop?
        I don't really think it makes much sense to use a phone compositor on a desktop...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ancurio View Post
          I don't really think it makes much sense to use a phone compositor on a desktop...
          Why not?

          It is not just used on smartphones, it is used on tablets too. Also on Android devices that people plug into their TV to turn it into some media center.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by uid313 View Post
            What is the difference of Wayland and the Android display server?

            Why were Wayland developed instead of re-use the Android display server on the Linux desktop?
            Android's solutions are ad-hock good enough hacks for smartphones. By analogy, Android's solutions are like Chinese crap - it's cheap, good enough, anyone uses it and as time passes it gets mild upgrades to be competitive quality/price wise. But there's better stuff if you have the money and knowledge - e.g. the USA military uses a different type of chips etc. which are more robust and cost a lot more.

            Wayland is trying to be not just a cheap mildly good solution for the masses but a really good one, flexible with a well thought design. Android doesn't plan to use Wayland because there's little value for end customers just like you don't need a chip (CPU) which can withstand solar flares. But since the desktop is much more sophisticated and powerful than a smartphone, going after Wayland makes sense for us, desktop users.
            Last edited by mark45; 01-24-2013, 06:24 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by uid313 View Post
              Why not?

              It is not just used on smartphones, it is used on tablets too. Also on Android devices that people plug into their TV to turn it into some media center.
              The Android backend is Surfaceflinger, which doesn't support windowing, cascading, or a bunch of other critical display server features. They have tacked on windowing support to it, but it is finnicky at best. It also has no networking support, and a while back it was redrawing the entire screen every update.

              It makes much more sense to have a comprehensive well thought out display server like Wayland / Weston anyway, because Surfaceflinger was kind of just hacked together.

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              • #8
                I had hopes for this

                It's unfortunate that Android isn't a community project, because this is something that would help:
                - Make a better Android
                - Improve Linux Desktop <---> Android app mobility. (Blur the lines)
                - Reduce Duplication of work in this very tricky area. (Faster improvements, more use)

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                • #9
                  Focus on making Wayland great and a joy to use... Android will eventually come around.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                    What is the difference of Wayland and the Android display server?

                    Why were Wayland developed instead of re-use the Android display server on the Linux desktop?
                    Because Wayland reuses existing GNU/Linux technologies (esp. Mesa/DRM drivers,) and Android does not, hence Wayland is less work.
                    Everybody reading Phoronix longer than a week knows that.

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                    • #11
                      Something tels me uid313 never bothers to look back for answers to his questions, he has asked this in several other articles and answer have been given yet he keeps asking it again and again.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by AJenbo View Post
                        Something tels me uid313 never bothers to look back for answers to his questions, he has asked this in several other articles and answer have been given yet he keeps asking it again and again.
                        I read this thread.

                        Yes, I've asked about it before.

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                        • #13
                          IMO wayland support in android should be built into android anyway, not weston. In the first place, Weston is supposed to be just a reference compositor, isn't it?

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                          • #14
                            Yes! Good riddance!

                            If there is one thing that has plagued the Linux community more than anything else, it's hubris and NIH syndrome (among others), which has contributed to the extreme lack of focus to bring ONE great thing to completion rather than branch out in 50 different directions, never completing any one in particular. As a Linux user, developer, fan -etc I'm sick and tired of hearing "This will be the year of the Linux desktop" for the last 10 years.

                            Let us make this pipe dream a reality - by checking our egos each morning, flush them down the toilet with your morning routine and focus on creating the -greatest- display server that ever was. Do this by literally -"RIPPING"- off usable X code for whatever is needed, if it can be done or other software packages/middleware that are tried and true. Just because you don't like ONE thing about some package that's been around for a while with a fair amount of consensus about its aliveness and quality, doesn't mean you have to develop OCD over this and "start your own fork" or whatever the fork.....

                            The only thing that can kill off Linux on the desktop is the Linux developers - nothing else can stop it.

                            Screw Apple, they're going downhill fast, right along with Windows 8.... Linux is the future and it NEEDS a -superb- display server, NON-X based, to set the OS market free and commoditize the future of the desktop to the point where Linux becomes a household name that even your 80 year old grandma will recognize, right along with the fat penguin and Linus' occasional asshole commentaries...

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