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  • #16
    Originally posted by R___ View Post
    This is a bad time to push Wayland. Valve is trying to port games, and Windows 8 is going to alienate users (who won't have a stable OS to move to due to Wayland). Obviously Wayland won't be ready to replace X for quite some time. I see the advantages, but it needs to be an extremely smooth transition or it will cause more problems than it solves.
    Keep in mind that this is just an early technology demo; this stuff isn't going to be forced down our throats just yet. And when it is, the end user (hopefully) won't notice any negative side effects. Remember that X applications run atop xwayland faster than on the native x-server.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by elanthis View Post
      Jesus, and I thought people here were emotionally attached to OpenGL...
      Jesus, I still find people emotionally attached to DirectX, even after Valve showed GL is faster. Those guys still keep trolling about DX being alledgedly snappier and stuff, hopeless people.

      Side note, an improved clip of Rebecca's Friday:

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      • #18
        Originally posted by M1kkko View Post
        Remember that X applications run atop xwayland faster than on the native x-server.
        how do you know? i mean, are there benchmarks somewhere public? because that sounds amazing, if that is true.

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        • #19
          Why are GTK and Qt not themed?
          Looks awful when not!

          Originally posted by ShadowBane View Post
          Also, the GTK theme that is shown is the default GTK theme, blame the devs of that project for the default looking terrible.
          I wish GTK and Qt improved their default themes.

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          • #20
            X is dead. Long live Wayland!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by elanthis View Post
              Jesus, and I thought people here were emotionally attached to OpenGL.

              Really, are the X11 gnomes coming to your guys' houses and blowing you in the middle of the night if you promise to never use another low-level windowing API?
              Yeah. They're also baking us cookies and pies.

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              • #22
                Now if you clicked the above video, here's a page break so you can get a beer to preserve your sanity
                LOL. Do US teenagers actually enjoy listening to this auto-tuned crap?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by M1kkko View Post
                  Keep in mind that this is just an early technology demo; this stuff isn't going to be forced down our throats just yet. And when it is, the end user (hopefully) won't notice any negative side effects. Remember that X applications run atop xwayland faster than on the native x-server.
                  If they run faster, that's good.

                  I just hope that down the road they won't drop xWayland....that will a big no no.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                    Jesus, and I thought people here were emotionally attached to OpenGL.

                    Really, are the X11 gnomes coming to your guys' houses and blowing you in the middle of the night if you promise to never use another low-level windowing API?

                    Yeah, Wayland has a ways to go. The people in charge of it know that. The people in charge of X.org know it too. Largely because those two groups are comprised of many of the same people.
                    Sounds awesome.

                    Call me when it's ready yawn

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                      If they run faster, that's good.

                      I just hope that down the road they won't drop xWayland....that will a big no no.
                      Why not?
                      Xwayland may be needed initially (because some apps make X calls).
                      But down the road, almost all applications will run fine without X, I guess.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                        Jesus, and I thought people here were emotionally attached to OpenGL.

                        Really, are the X11 gnomes coming to your guys' houses and blowing you in the middle of the night if you promise to never use another low-level windowing API?

                        Yeah, Wayland has a ways to go. The people in charge of it know that. The people in charge of X.org know it too. Largely because those two groups are comprised of many of the same people.
                        ...from the guy who gets blown by Ballmer every night.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                          Why not?
                          Xwayland may be needed initially (because some apps make X calls).
                          But down the road, almost all applications will run fine without X, I guess.
                          There you go !!!! S**T all over

                          Imagine that if some "old" games make X calls....if xWayland is discontinued ( and IT WILL BE DISCONTINUED) those games won't run

                          So, i'm supposed to do what if i still like, like many do, play those games ?!? Use WINE to play their Windows versions ?!?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                            There you go !!!! S**T all over

                            Imagine that if some "old" games make X calls....if xWayland is discontinued ( and IT WILL BE DISCONTINUED) those games won't run

                            So, i'm supposed to do what if i still like, like many do, play those games ?!? Use WINE to play their Windows versions ?!?
                            It'll likely be similar to the current disaster we have when trying to play id Software games with PulseAudio.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                              Yep it's shit. I can see the future. We'll have this shit force down our throats, a half-assed piece of software full of bugs, and it'll be 3 more ubuntu versions before it's anything near usable. No thanx, I'll stick to X. It's been here for so long we know it's good. No need to change for the sake of change. Dammit fix the already many bugs in ubuntu, stop adding shit with new piles of bugs in it!
                              So what you're actually saying is, "I don't care if everything comes crashing down in the future and we're all forced to Windows! I want it to work today! Screw tomorrow!"

                              The reason people are pouring so much effort into Wayland isn't because they want fancy new features. They're doing it, because they have enough foresight, to know that X is becoming harder and harder to maintain and when the time comes that it is simply to cluttered to keep up the technology trend anymore, they want to have other options.

                              But, don't worry, if you like things to work, you can stick with the releases that will be using X until Wayland is good and ready. Hell, you don't even have to change to another distro, just stick with whatever is running on your PC right now.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by johnc View Post
                                ...from the guy who gets blown by Ballmer every night.
                                I dunno. I'd be afraid he'd remember my relationship with Google halfway through and grind his teeth right through my junk. Then throw a chair at me.

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