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  • X/Wayland Is Coming Along Nicely, But Work Is Left

    Phoronix: X/Wayland Is Coming Along Nicely, But Work Is Left

    Keith Packard spoke on Wednesday of the 2012 Linux Foundation Collaboration concerning Wayland and its backwards compatibility support for X applications...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTA4MzA

  • #2
    can phoronix talk about the positive effect wayland will have for gaming on linux

    It will provide a more direct path to the rendering hardware instead of having to go through X. it just opens a display and puts up a GL context and pushes frames (i think)

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    • #3
      actually most problems with video in linux are not inherently because of x.org. they are because the driver's suck. but yeah, I want to go into time and see when linux desktop has a mature audio/video stack.

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      • #4
        Compatibility

        Will wayland be FULLY backward-compatibile with X11, a drop-in replacement, or should we rather expect some degree of compatibility with well-behaved applications unless they rely on API x or depend on some behaviour of API y?
        I'm not a big fan of the throwing out of babies with the bath water that sometimes happens in the open source world.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by peppepz View Post
          Will wayland be FULLY backward-compatibile with X11, a drop-in replacement, or should we rather expect some degree of compatibility with well-behaved applications unless they rely on API x or depend on some behaviour of API y?
          I'm not a big fan of the throwing out of babies with the bath water that sometimes happens in the open source world.
          "legacy" applications will just run on the xserver which will run as a wayland client.

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          • #6
            I'm a bit disappointed that Michael - a self proclaimed open source advocate - has an Iphone

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            • #7
              Wait just a second. Did you say iPhone?

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              • #8
                Damn. If there was something to make sure even less people want Wayland it's making it depend on systemd.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
                  I'm a bit disappointed that Michael - a self proclaimed open source advocate - has an Iphone
                  He also has news about Unigine, Valve, and a boatload of other proprietary software.

                  Open Source advocates generally prefer whatever software does the best job, believing that Open development processes produce better software. The iOS hardware and OS still beat the Android OS (which is also not fully Free) and other OSes hands-down (a bit subjective, yes, I admit), so even if Open Source is better in general, in the specific case of phone OSes the proprietary iOS may (again, somewhat subjectively) still be the better choice for real-world products.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                    He also has news about Unigine, Valve, and a boatload of other proprietary software.

                    Open Source advocates generally prefer whatever software does the best job, believing that Open development processes produce better software. The iOS hardware and OS still beat the Android OS (which is also not fully Free) and other OSes hands-down (a bit subjective, yes, I admit), so even if Open Source is better in general, in the specific case of phone OSes the proprietary iOS may (again, somewhat subjectively) still be the better choice for real-world products.
                    What's the point of this comment while everything you have written is nothing, but a subjective opinion? It's very hard to imagine an iOS being better while it had huge problems in bringing multitasking which was present on Android. Michael is not only using iPhone, Mac, but also writes very often about Apple sponsored Clang/llvm. In the past there was even article written by some proprietary troll who was claiming proprietary and BSD licenses are better for Linux to succeed. This looks suspicious.

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                    • #11
                      Wayland doesn't, and will not depend on systemd. XWayland may use systemd in the future, but that doesn't stop you from not using that dependency and manually opening an X server yourself. In other words, I'm sure it'll be an optional dependency, if it's ever depended on at all.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dacresbu View Post
                        It will provide a more direct path to the rendering hardware instead of having to go through X. it just opens a display and puts up a GL context and pushes frames (i think)
                        DRI provides a direct path that circumvents X. Wayland will not make OpenGL any faster.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                          He also has news about Unigine, Valve, and a boatload of other proprietary software.

                          Open Source advocates generally prefer whatever software does the best job, believing that Open development processes produce better software. The iOS hardware and OS still beat the Android OS (which is also not fully Free) and other OSes hands-down (a bit subjective, yes, I admit), so even if Open Source is better in general, in the specific case of phone OSes the proprietary iOS may (again, somewhat subjectively) still be the better choice for real-world products.
                          Is there someone out there that proclaims himself an open source advocate and ACTUALLY happens to use Linux (or any other FLOSS OS) as his primary operating system?

                          If Linux is so useless that everyone uses OSX/iOS or Windows in the real world, and if it has usage statistics that are so hopelessly low, I'm wondering why Valve plans to port Steam over it... I really don't get it.

                          Does at least Torvalds use his creature? or even he lives in the Mac world? at this point it wouldn't surprise me...

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                          • #14
                            IIRC Linus had Fedora on Mac hardware, so best of both worlds?

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                            • #15
                              Speaking of the Wayland clipboard, did they fix this X design flaw where you close a window and your clipboard is gone? This bug have been open for years and no one have been able to fix is simply because it's the way it works in Xorg.
                              Wayland seems like the perfect opportunity to do such a thing, let's just hove they do.

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