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    Phoronix: Wayland Reference Code Being Re-Licensed

    A number of months ago I wrote about plans for

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTkyNQ

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    Kristian is also working on other stuff as it seems


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    login/session manager?????

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    • #3
      I wished it had gone to LGPL I feel this might have encouraged more companies to give back to the project

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        Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
        I wished it had gone to LGPL I feel this might have encouraged more companies to give back to the project
        LGPL would effectively end any chance of BSDs, Solaris, etc. adopting Wayland.
        Xorg is under MIT license since it exists and nobody has any problems giving developed code back. Wayland is the successor to Xorg and to get the same adoption rate, the same legal framework should be used.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
          LGPL would effectively end any chance of BSDs, Solaris, etc. adopting Wayland.
          Xorg is under MIT license since it exists and nobody has any problems giving developed code back. Wayland is the successor to Xorg and to get the same adoption rate, the same legal framework should be used.
          I think they might have issues if it were GPL but not LGPL - Wayland is in user space - if these OS's didn't allow for LGPL they wouldn't be able to have Gnome or KDE included with them

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          • #6
            Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
            I think they might have issues if it were GPL but not LGPL - Wayland is in user space - if these OS's didn't allow for LGPL they wouldn't be able to have Gnome or KDE included with them
            This has nothing to do with ability. The BSDs simply do not like copyleft licenses, especially when being part of the core OS. Heck,with Wayland under MITL there might even a remote chance that Android adopts it in the far future (granted that is a stretch).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
              This has nothing to do with ability. The BSDs simply do not like copyleft licenses, especially when being part of the core OS. Heck,with Wayland under MITL there might even a remote chance that Android adopts it in the far future (granted that is a stretch).
              I bet nobody from Wayland does even care about bsd and if they like something or not. The same like with systemd - they're made with Linux in mind and for Linux.

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              • #8
                Wayland is not a successor to Xorg.

                What we are hoping is that with some luck, it might become a viable alternative to Xorg on the desktop.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                  I bet nobody from Wayland does even care about bsd and if they like something or not. The same like with systemd - they're made with Linux in mind and for Linux.
                  Wayland is a specification, just like X11. It's up to those who implement the spec whether or not it will work on so and so an OS. If there are methods of doing what Wayland needs done, but different to the Linux kernel, then they need to be documented if you want implementers (gtk, qt, etc.) to work on your kernel/platform. If they don't exist, then you have some choices to make.

                  systemd is not a specification, it's a complete system for bringing up and managing services (and probably more; I'm not well versed in what exactly it does, since I don't need to be). Someone else is free to take it and modify it to work on their OS, or take the idea and make their own unique implementation (doesn't even have to be a complete implementation, and certainly doesn't need to all be done by one component), but it is designed specifically with the Linux kernel in mind and it doesn't look like that'll change soon.

                  (edit: I doubt it matters whether they "like" it or not; it's those who implement the spec who ultimately get to decide what gets done and how, and for what platforms. The spec will evolve as new challenges are met, and the world will continue to revolve)
                  Last edited by Nobu; 09-20-2011, 01:59 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Meh

                    I can't bring myself to care much about the license here. Or whether or not the BSDs choose to adopt Wayland.

                    I guess in such a case, leaning towards the more permissive licenses is good.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
                      I wished it had gone to LGPL I feel this might have encouraged more companies to give back to the project
                      The GPL tends to prevent companies from putting themselves in the situation where they have anything to give back. I think Michael has a write-up about how this was happening with GCC.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                        Wayland is not a successor to Xorg.
                        What we are hoping is that with some luck, it might become a viable alternative to Xorg on the desktop.
                        If all goes well, then eventually, Wayland will make X.org archaic.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shining Arcanine View Post
                          The GPL tends to prevent companies from putting themselves in the situation where they have anything to give back. I think Michael has a write-up about how this was happening with GCC.
                          I'm not sure many people have a problem with the LGPL. GCC is GPL, for example.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DanL View Post
                            If all goes well, then eventually, Wayland will make X.org archaic.
                            X.org IS archaic. But, Wayland will just be a "awe isn't that cute, they wrote a new display" project without support from nVidia and AMD's drivers.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                              X.org IS archaic. But, Wayland will just be a "awe isn't that cute, they wrote a new display" project without support from nVidia and AMD's drivers.
                              Wayland support should be much easier than X support for them, so I wouldn't expect that to be a problem.

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