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  • Wayland Is Now Playing Well With NVIDIA, ATI Drivers

    Phoronix: Wayland Is Now Playing Well With NVIDIA, ATI Drivers

    For those of you interested in running the Wayland Display Server on your NVIDIA and ATI graphics cards, without running it nestled inside an X Server, it should work if you use the newest Linux kernel code...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTExMw

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    I am really looking forward to using Wayland on, my favorite, Ubuntu ASAP. I hope Canonical won't postpone it for after the next LTS. I want 12.04 with Unity + Wayland!

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    • #3
      This is a bit off-topic but given Wayland and PulseAudio, does anybody else see Linux video/audio moving in opposite directions? Wayland is dropping network transparency for a lean n' mean graphics framework while PulseAudio stacks a network server on top of ALSA.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by zoomblab View Post
        This is a bit off-topic but given Wayland and PulseAudio, does anybody else see Linux video/audio moving in opposite directions? Wayland is dropping network transparency for a lean n' mean graphics framework while PulseAudio stacks a network server on top of ALSA.
        Then don't use pulseaudio.
        With this news though, I may just get motivation to properly setup switching between fglrx & r600g to start trying some of these things (i.e Wayland) out.

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        • #5
          aw, you had me going... from the article title i thought you meant that the binary drivers were playing well with wayland :P

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          • #6
            Originally posted by zoomblab View Post
            This is a bit off-topic but given Wayland and PulseAudio, does anybody else see Linux video/audio moving in opposite directions? Wayland is dropping network transparency for a lean n' mean graphics framework while PulseAudio stacks a network server on top of ALSA.
            In wayland you will be able to do the same things you do with X but in a different way.

            Its just that the functionality hasn't been added yet. Sadly only Kristian is working actively on it.

            As for Pulseaudio the only thing that should be done is to be integrated in a single project with Jack in order to have only ONE server handling desktop and pro audio.

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            • #7
              If someone can piece together all the required pieces, it would be cool if they could produce a live CD for would-be testers...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Otus View Post
                If someone can piece together all the required pieces, it would be cool if they could produce a live CD for would-be testers...
                It is not ready yet. There are a lot of things to be done on the wayland side and also window managers must be ported. But before WM get ported the infrastructure must be there which is not the case yet.

                If you want to try it i thing there are a few scripts/instructions floating around for various distros.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                  In wayland you will be able to do the same things you do with X but in a different way.
                  Did you read what I said? I was talking about architecture. Plain Wayland drops the network transparency stuff from the core framework. Of course you will be able to optionally put an X server on top of it.

                  http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html

                  PulseAudio on the other side is designed as a server architecture much like X does. No?

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                  • #10
                    So what advantages does Wayland provide for the end user?
                    Is it really faster than X?

                    Or the only advantages come in the form of easier development (due to less code bloat)?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by zoomblab View Post
                      Did you read what I said? I was talking about architecture. Plain Wayland drops the network transparency stuff from the core framework. Of course you will be able to optionally put an X server on top of it.

                      http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
                      you care about the functionality (which will be there at some point one way or another) or you just want network transparency for your own reasons???

                      if its the second you plainly won't have it with wayland.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by zoomblab View Post
                        This is a bit off-topic but given Wayland and PulseAudio, does anybody else see Linux video/audio moving in opposite directions? Wayland is dropping network transparency for a lean n' mean graphics framework while PulseAudio stacks a network server on top of ALSA.
                        Aside from other correct answers to your question, it should also be noted that between audio and visual, there is a MASSIVE difference in the amount of data that has to be shuffled through the stack. Video requires orders of magnitude greater bandwidth than audio. The bandwidth requirements for audio are negligible by today's standard. Video still takes everything you've got.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                          you care about the functionality (which will be there at some point one way or another) or you just want network transparency for your own reasons??? if its the second you plainly won't have it with wayland.
                          Φίλε μου, μαζί μιλάμε χώρια καταλαβαινόμαστε

                          I don't care. In fact I am all in favor of the Wayland architecture. My post was an observation meant for discussion.

                          Again:
                          • Wayland: Drops network transparency.
                          • PulseAudio: Introduces network transparency.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                            there is a MASSIVE difference in the amount of data that has to be shuffled through the stack. Video requires orders of magnitude greater bandwidth than audio. The bandwidth requirements for audio are negligible by today's standard. Video still takes everything you've got.
                            Point taken, audio < video. However Pulse is known to add latency, and besides that also adds complexity.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by zoomblab View Post
                              Φίλε μου, μαζί μιλάμε χώρια καταλαβαινόμαστε

                              I don't care. In fact I am all in favor of the Wayland architecture. My post was an observation meant for discussion.

                              Again:
                              • Wayland: Drops network transparency.
                              • PulseAudio: Introduces network transparency.
                              Well, I've studied ancient greek at school, but this is quite different. The beginning sounds like "My dear, learn...", but after this I'm lost.
                              Back on topic, I think today audio network transparency is considered more useful than video one (media streamers etc), and it has been realized that putting network transparency at the protocol level was not such a great idea for video (I've never seen a modern desktop running through the network without becoming inusuable, except maybe on an empty gigabit lan).

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