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    Phoronix: The Fedora Plans For Wayland

    In recent days we have been talking a lot about Ubuntu's plans to deploy the Wayland Display Server and the new Wayland activity, NVIDIA's plans to not support Wayland, and John Carmack's interests to support Wayland, but that isn't the only solution in the world. Red Hat's Adam Jackson has addressed the Fedora plans to support Wayland...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODc4MA

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    I guess we're the peanut gallery

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    • #3
      okay, now there's a 75% chance that a headline will pertain to wayland.

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      • #4
        The phrases "no plans to support Wayland" and "plans to not support Wayland" do not mean the same thing.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by snuwoods View Post
          okay, now there's a 75% chance that a headline will pertain to wayland.
          Yeah, it's getting predictable. Perhaps we should go back to 'steam client for linux' for a couple of weeks...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by snuwoods View Post
            okay, now there's a 75% chance that a headline will pertain to wayland.
            I don't want to hurt your feelings but nobody cares if you don't find every (or any) articles on Phoronix interesting.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
              I guess we're the peanut gallery
              The sad thing is that the "peanut gallery" will be right for some years after the switch happens. We saw that with pulse, which totally sucked balls for a long time after distributions hopped on board. Hell some distributions even switched away from it as a default. (Although, amusingly, they switched away from it just as it was getting good enough for normal use.)

              I'd just assume not have every distribution jump the gun on this. Let the Ubuntu kids play with it for a bit.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
                Let the Ubuntu kids play with it for a bit.
                That will only serve to leave with a horrible reputation.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
                  The sad thing is that the "peanut gallery" will be right for some years after the switch happens. We saw that with pulse, which totally sucked balls for a long time after distributions hopped on board. Hell some distributions even switched away from it as a default. (Although, amusingly, they switched away from it just as it was getting good enough for normal use.)
                  Huh? Just because ubuntu couldnt stick with the defaults and decided to severely break it doesn't mean that there was something particularly wrong. Fedora switched to PA for F8. F8 was a disaster (for lots of reasons, most of which do NOT involve PA), by F9, PA was ready. That's just SIX MONTHS.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ex-Cyber View Post
                    The phrases "no plans to support Wayland" and "plans to not support Wayland" do not mean the same thing.
                    No, but judging by the current nvidia driver and what they would have to do to support wayland, I don't see much chance of them supporting it. For instance... they don't even support KMS!!! How long has that been part of Linux now?

                    Of course, there's also very very little reason to care if they do or don't... their dysfunctional POS blob can die and rot for all I care. I've already ditched their turd of a driver for **ALL** of my remaining nvidia hardware, and every time it is necessary to replace anything nvidia, it is NOT being replaced with any more nvidia. Last piece is one laptop, and my ONLY complaint about that machine is the nvidia junk that has made my life miserable since I acquired the thing. If you could replace the GPU on a laptop, I would have done so.

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                    • #11
                      PulseAudio rocks. What's the problem with it? Using it since it hit Ubuntu and aside from Skype horrors, Everything was fixed in the following Ubuntu release.

                      Yes the Alsa drivers need to be more strict in following the rules because otherwise the sound gets choppy. Big deal...

                      And what about Wayland? Oh yeah remote acces. KDE already does Plasma widgets over the network. I'm sure Qt will follow sooner or later. By the time Gtk has decided if the French revolution was a good idea, I'm sure they'll follow. Then FreeDesktop.org kicks in and parent windows will somehow be draggable again; because hey; fscking compositing, how does it work?

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                      • #12
                        I do not understand something.

                        I really do not understand this Wayland-releated news. AFAIK Wayland is promising, but it is far from antyhing stable or usefull. How it can be even considered to be included anywhere if it was and still is highly experimental, have problems with drivers, compatibility of clients, API is still discussed.

                        Please leave this, think few years on good API, and then push it to the mainline users. Not around. We have been living with X11 for 25 years, and without problem we can live next 5, and even after that we need to run this old application also, so good compatibility and features like network transparency is also nice (but well, for todays rich graphic applications, X11 networking isn't very good in terms of performance, so i think this could be improved - look at NX).

                        I do not buy any features of Wayland right now. And do not see currently bigger advantages for rational reasons. In longterm it will be better, but do not rush to change Xorg by Wayland becuase of this.

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                        • #13
                          Well, anybody hoping nvidia will release wayland-compatible drivers was/is probably living in some different dream world. Why the hell they should support it, if wayland isn't even remotely stable in any sense, especially in API division - wayland is just currently some new architecture which tries to fix X11 problems, but there was lots of similar efforts many times, and they all died. Maybe this times will be different, but nvidia will not risk wasting any resources on this project.

                          If wayland will be a standard stack for linux (and I do not think it will happen, and even if it happen not in next 5 years), then maybe they will reconsider this (but it also depends if wayland will be ported to other Unixes).

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                          • #14
                            You don't understand. X.org has manpower problems and they can't get rid of Xlib because the new C lib doesn't get any traction outside of E17. They can't seem to dump anything legacy due to dependancies.

                            Now Wayland comes around, which is anything modern X.org code that's been stripped of all the legacy crap and moves networking of widgets to widget toolkits and everybody is jumping on it.

                            The very last thing that is needed is people sticking with X.org

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                            • #15
                              Dude, nobody is jumping on it. It's just that phoronix is quoting a couple of emails and a tweet.

                              Perhaps Wayland will be an interesting solution in a few years. Like Y-Windows was, which solved all the problems X had. At the moment, it's a pet side project of one developer which barely runs, no more.

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