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  • Ubuntu Is Going To Deploy Wayland With Unity

    Phoronix: Ubuntu Is Going To Deploy Wayland With Unity

    This is going to be short as I have another flight to catch to San Diego for the next week [if anyone wants to meet-up to discuss Linux, Phoronix, or the Phoronix Test Suite in the area, contact me]. Anyhow, Mark Shuttleworth just sent over an email saying that they will be deploying the Wayland Display Server with their Unity Desktop -- that's replacing the GNOME Shell by default -- in a future Ubuntu release!..

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODc1Ng

  • #2
    Less about Wayland, we want to now more about the vodka-coke! :P

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    • #3
      BOOOOOOOOMMMM



      that was something i didn't expect at least anytime soon

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      • #4
        How will Wayland make a difference to users/developers etc.?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by crispy View Post
          How will Wayland make a difference to users/developers etc.?
          Yeah I wonder on that too.
          X is not that bad, despite so many bad comments.
          Also what would be interesting is how much software would break with a transition.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mat69 View Post
            Yeah I wonder on that too.
            X is not that bad, despite so many bad comments.
            Also what would be interesting is how much software would break with a transition.
            Only software that's not properly written, same as with the global menu bar, RGBA translucency, denying file system write permissions to all but a handful of applications, and changing the configuration directory.

            As long as you follow the development guidelines for Ubuntu to the letter, you'll be fine. .....and now that LibreOffice has been pryed out of Sun/Oracle's hands, there might be hope that it'll get a native Ubuntu GUI rewrite too. Just remember: You can write your app for Ubuntu, or you can write it for Qt, or you can write it using your own weird hacks, but if you do the latter, it's about guaranteed to break whenever any user or distributor tries to do anything innovative.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ethana2 View Post
              Only software that's not properly written
              Define 'properly'. Certainly, the average application should be unaffected, if it uses a standard toolkit like Qt or Gtk, and uses *only* that toolkit. But what if it needs to do something clever? Is the chat client "not properly written" because it uses the standard X screen saver API to recognise when the user is away from the keyboard?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mat69 View Post
                Yeah I wonder on that too.
                X is not that bad, despite so many bad comments.
                Also what would be interesting is how much software would break with a transition.
                Unless I'm mistaken, the plan (at least initially) is to use Wayland as a backend for the X server, in which case hardly any software would break.

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                • #9
                  What about the MASSIVE performance problems this will cause. The opensource drivers are slow, and the proprietary ones don't work. Also, won't this compositing cause a massive drop in performance?

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                  • #10
                    glad to see a big player stepping up and pushing the opensource movement where its needed. I for one don't give a dam if we break compatible, since the outcome will likely be a far more streamlined solution.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LinuxID10T View Post
                      What about the MASSIVE performance problems this will cause. The opensource drivers are slow, and the proprietary ones don't work. Also, won't this compositing cause a massive drop in performance?
                      In and of itself, Wayland will perform a ton better than X11. I'm running compiz on nouveau right now, it's performant *enough* for me. By the time Canonical actually does this, Free drivers will be a lot faster.

                      If an application is using the x11 screensaver thing to tell if a user went away, yes, that is improperly written-- but that may be a fault of GTK or Qt that the application developer will catch the consequences for. Is that seriously the only way to query how long the user has been away? What does Empathy use?

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                      • #12
                        Nice to see someone trying to push vendors to something rather than lay there and take it up the ass.

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                        • #13
                          smells like ubuntu's trying to steal the show with a unity-compiz-wayland thingymajig.

                          i don't know.... it just seems like canonical is trying to monopolize the open source world. which isn't nearly as bad as closed big business monopolization. at least they're trying to use and advance new technologies while bringing in new linux users.

                          anyway, go wayland!

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                          • #14
                            Good news actually. Wayland needed a push by a major player. Though I guess the decision might not be really final yet.

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                            • #15
                              I certainly hope they make the switch before 12.10.

                              X server is architecturally flawed. Wayland is the future.

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