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  • #61
    The popularity has also brought all the shit that comes with large followings like the hoards of trolls to various Linux communities and related sites.

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    • #62
      Wow, hadn't thought that so many people would bash ubuntu for this plan. IMHO, Shuttleworth is trying to move ubuntu radically into the direction of 'idiot-proof linux for the masses'. Unity as default, wayland adoption, ubuntu shop, the 'ubunu' font - those things are geared towards making ubuntu more appealing to first-time users, and those using it in a dual-boot 'get to the web ASAP' style (which Shuttleorth blogged about some months back). He seems to have some vision of getting ubuntu to the masses, and is using his 'beneficial dictator' powers to push through changes he thinks will help position ubuntu in this direction.
      These are bold moves, and only time will tell if this helps to compensate the loss of power-users with fresh first-time users... My guess is that if it works OOTB, most won't bother what works underneath.

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      • #63
        is this bad idea?

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        • #64
          I think there's too much Linux distros that are very similar, and it's good for some of them to try something new, an it'll be good to support alternative projects...

          Anyway, if it goes well, we'll just have a better Ubuntu, if not, people who doesn't want to abandon .deb packages could use Linux Mint, or another Ubuntu based distro that will keep X.org, or Debian itself...

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Decatf View Post
            The popularity has also brought all the shit that comes with large followings like the hoards of trolls to various Linux communities and related sites.
            That goes both ways. See a windows thread, there will be a os x or linux troll. See a os x thread and you will see a linux or windows troll.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by deanjo View Post
              That goes both ways. See a windows thread, there will be a os x or linux troll. See a os x thread and you will see a linux or windows troll.
              It's an unfortunate side of humanity but were there be people there'll be a percentage of douchebags as well I guess. :-)

              When I first started reading these boards I wasn't expecting to find so many troll posts but I then on reflection why would Linux be any more immune from trolls than other platforms?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by mugginz View Post
                I see that tall poppy syndrome is still strong around these parts.
                I don't know what exactly referring to, but if you're referring to the anti-Ubuntu posts, then things are getting too ridiculous.

                RedHat, Intel, AMD, SUSE and many others have developed the technology behind Wayland, and now the Ubuntu folks have said that they might use Wayland in two years.

                I don't know, but the suggestion that Ubuntu is the tall poppy here is one of the funniest things ever written phoronix.

                They SAID that they might use it in the future. Whoah. Dude. How can we thank them?

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                • #68
                  I mean, Ubuntu packages a slick product, and they are successful. They brought new users to Linux, and this is good. Respect where it is due.

                  But only where it's due, please

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                    I mean, Ubuntu packages a slick product, and they are successful. They brought new users to Linux, and this is good. Respect where it is due.

                    But only where it's due, please

                    the way i see it is somehow like this:

                    Redhat, intel etc are the technical side of linux and canonical is the marketing side of it

                    linux needs both


                    the 1337/freetard hate towards ubuntu is totaly stupid

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                      RedHat, Intel, AMD, SUSE and many others have developed the technology behind Wayland, and now the Ubuntu folks have said that they might use Wayland in two years.
                      Where did Mr. Shuttleworth say they were the sole developers of Wayland?

                      Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                      I don't know, but the suggestion that Ubuntu is the tall poppy here is one of the funniest things ever written phoronix.
                      They're successful. People like their distribution. No matter how much or how little of the code contained in the distro is theirs, they are successful. Reportedly the most popular desktop distro. Users are voting with their DVD-ROM drives and USB ports. That's one thing we know.

                      Now, because some users of other distros are butt-hurt because while the creators of their preferred distro may have more code accepted by upstream, it seems that this code in it's submitted form is chosen by less end users. Blame the end users perhaps?

                      It would seem that while Canonical may make some changes that upstream isn't interested in, end users are.

                      Some want to trash Canonical for the success of Ubuntu as if to suggest they're not deserving of their current preferred status. If Canonical didn't know how to package software in a way the people find pleasant and usable then end users wouldn't use it surely.

                      Ubuntu currently enjoys a pretty descent position as far as mind share goes in the end-user desktop Linux space. If RedHat, Suse, etc want to over take that position they're going to need to produce the code that's best to use in that scenario, not only the most code. Canonical offer their changes to all who wish to accept it. Perhaps the others should take it all onboard?

                      Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                      They SAID that they might use it in the future. Whoah. Dude. How can we thank them?
                      And with this statement you prove my point. :-)

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                      • #71
                        Look, I'm not an Ubuntu hater. For two reasons:

                        - packaging is an extremely important part of the Linux ecosystem, and it is not easy to get it right (even if you let Debian do most of the work)
                        - It is very difficult to run a company which makes all of its money from Linux. Honestly, I can name three other companies which have managed to stay afloat: RedHat, SUSE and Mandriva, and the latter is not in the rosiest of situations. All other relevant distros are community-based.

                        But this is it. It's not a shame to be known as a company which does some pretty packaging, especially if the packaging is successful.

                        And instead of this, you are suggesting that Canonical is being mobbed by RedHat, Novel, GNOME and KDE because they are all jealous of Canonical's superior code.

                        No, seriously.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                          Look, I'm not an Ubuntu hater. For two reasons:

                          - packaging is an extremely important part of the Linux ecosystem, and it is not easy to get it right (even if you let Debian do most of the work)
                          - It is very difficult to run a company which makes all of its money from Linux. Honestly, I can name three other companies which have managed to stay afloat: RedHat, SUSE and Mandriva, and the latter is not in the rosiest of situations. All other relevant distros are community-based.

                          But this is it. It's not a shame to be known as a company which does some pretty packaging, especially if the packaging is successful.

                          And instead of this, you are suggesting that Canonical is being mobbed by RedHat, Novel, GNOME and KDE because they are all jealous of Canonical's superior code.

                          No, seriously.
                          When I posted
                          Originally posted by mugginz View Post
                          I see that tall poppy syndrome is still strong around these parts.
                          You responded with;
                          Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                          I don't know what exactly referring to, but if you're referring to the anti-Ubuntu posts, then things are getting too ridiculous.

                          RedHat, Intel, AMD, SUSE and many others have developed the technology behind Wayland, and now the Ubuntu folks have said that they might use Wayland in two years.

                          I don't know, but the suggestion that Ubuntu is the tall poppy here is one of the funniest things ever written phoronix.

                          They SAID that they might use it in the future. Whoah. Dude. How can we thank them?
                          I think that speaks for itself really.

                          To focus on this:
                          Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                          And instead of this, you are suggesting that Canonical is being mobbed by RedHat, Novel, GNOME and KDE because they are all jealous of Canonical's superior code.
                          I'm suggesting there are posters who frequent this and other on-line forums who are taking aim at Cononical in various unfair ways. Also individuals from within the other distros aren't immune from taking pot shots as well.

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                          • #73
                            You seem to detect excessive criticism of Ubuntu, and I often see excessive praise.

                            Here we have an article in which Shuttleworth says that they will deploy Wayland once RedHat finishes writing it, and all of a sudden this is some sort of a revolution and they are pushing the limits of what Linux can do

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                              You seem to detect excessive criticism of Ubuntu, and I often see excessive praise.
                              I see both!

                              Any excessive praise I can easily overlook.

                              Unwarranted slamage gets a bit boring after a while. I think Ubuntu adds positively to the Linux ecosystem. Some like to focus on the negative far too much in my view. Others go further and seem to suggest that Canonical should be folded, at least that's what I take away from members of alternative distros suggesting that programmers hired by Canonical should resign and find work elsewhere. (not referring to this thread directly in this last sentence.)

                              Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                              Here we have an article in which Shuttleworth says that they will deploy Wayland once RedHat finishes writing it, and all of a sudden this is some sort of a revolution and they are pushing the limits of what Linux can do
                              That would be a commentary on the story as posted on Phoronix's main page.

                              What I refer to is the comments in this thread posted by individuals I presume not affiliated with either Michael or Phoronix proper.

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                              • #75
                                Hello, my first post here. I just wanted to say that I fully support Wayland if it can fix problems like slow (re)drawing of qt and kde apps, problems with windows resizing (when compositing is turned on), ect.

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