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    Phoronix: Clutter's Latest Release Gains Wayland Back-End

    The Wayland Display Server continues moving forward and is nearing the point of usability by enthusiasts and those interested in easily trying out this display server that leverages the latest and greatest Linux graphics technologies...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODcyMQ

  • #2
    interesting embedded stuff

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    • #3
      Why only embedded stuff?

      Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
      interesting embedded stuff
      As I understand, wayland will be more efficient with technologies like Open GL, improve visual quality (no tearing), doesn't sound to me as embedded stuff.

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      • #4
        As I understand it, Wayland is a local-only display solution. I routinely export displays at work and at home. I can see value to Wayland, but please-oh-please-oh-please don't take away my remote display capability.

        Sometimes between Wayland and super-GUI-do-it-all-for-you desktops I feel like there are forces in the world trying to turn Linux into Windows. I appreaciate the concepts of "just works" and "easy to use", but as they get in the way of "make it work by configuring it yourself" and "doing something the designers never anticipated" I start to resent it.

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        • #5
          Hopefully Wayland will be able to do remote displays. It wouldn't surprise me if it got this feature and eventually replaced Xorg. If Xorg is so massive and confusing and ancient and slow, having great features there but poor ones elsewhere, etc, then maybe it should be replaced.

          If Wayland never adopts those features that you want though, Xorg will stick around..

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          • #6
            Just thinking for a moment... What I need is a mechanism to run X apps on a remote machine, with the display on the one where I'm seated. There are other mechanisms besides true network transparency that can do this, and perhaps one of those could be beefed up to give the appearance of true network transparency. (Think an up-to-date dxpc or GPL/bsd NX.)

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            • #7
              the way I see it happening is like this: All major graphics toolkits will start supporting wayland. For backwards compatibility there will have to be a X backend for wayland, or every toolkit will have to keep around X support. I definitely think wayland is the way forward, and I don't mind it being similar to a windows or mac idea as long as it's a good one. Tear-free fast and awesome graphics sounds good to me :-).

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              • #8
                Whatever, as long as I keep reasonable remote access.

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                • #9
                  most certainly enough people will put up a fuss to make that a requirement.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by garytr24 View Post
                    most certainly enough people will put up a fuss to make that a requirement.
                    thats the problem when people involved are geeks that think that everyone uses their computer the same way they do



                    but afaik you can run X on wayland so no problem with remote stuff and maybe there will be VNC support or whatever

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                      thats the problem when people involved are geeks that think that everyone uses their computer the same way they do
                      I'm willing to admit that my usage may be unusual, and that not everyone uses remote displays. But aren't you (and particularly gamers) doing the very same crime you're accusing me of - taking local performance as the absolute highest priority, and considering those "remote display guys" as "geek corner cases"?

                      X-on-Wayland may well be an acceptable way of running remote access, but the next question becomes whether or not the difference between Wayland and X will be traditional-application transparent. ie, my CAD applications are most likely going to stay on X, because you wouldn't believe how old the stuff industry considers to be "The Platform" is. So for me the question becomes, "Will my ancient CAD application run on Wayland?" In other words, what's the compatibility status?

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                      • #12
                        AFAIK no compatibility, X apps will run on X like they do now on OS X.

                        Don't freak out just yet, anyway. I doubt Wayland will be replacing X even in Fedora in the near future.

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                        • #13
                          i think Wayland would be alternative to X, not replacement...
                          i really dont need remote stuff and all other useless stuff, local display server is ok for me, same i dont know why PA have networking sound stuff...

                          need to use PA, alsa itself cant yet hardware mix on my xonar dx ...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                            but afaik you can run X on wayland so no problem with remote stuff and maybe there will be VNC support or whatever
                            Sorry, but VNC just doesn't cut it.

                            X-on-Wayland probably would give me remote access to X-based apps, but what about Wayland-native apps?

                            Oh and also: Remote desktop access has nothing to do with "geeks". It has been widely used in the IT and professional industries for years. If you think that all those people would need to switch to VNC, they would rather not I guess...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by beniwtv View Post
                              X-on-Wayland probably would give me remote access to X-based apps, but what about Wayland-native apps?
                              i don't think there will be any Wayland-native apps. simply there will be either Qt or Gtk apps and each toolkit will have an X and Wayland backend.

                              even if there were a Wayland-only app, i think you can run Wayland-on-X anyway. (i think most Wayland demos are run with this configuration)

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