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    Phoronix: With Ubuntu 10.10 It May Be Easier To Run Wayland

    Beyond working towards the X Server not running as the root user and the X.Org/Mesa/Kernel upgrades planned for Ubuntu 10.10, it may also be easier to test the Wayland Display Server in this Ubuntu "Maverick Meerkat" update due out in October...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODI0OA

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    KMS & Wayland

    Wayland not working with NVIDIA drivers == FAIL for me.


    The idea of lightweight replacement of X server is great. But not running with the only drivers that allow me to develop under Linux... eh

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RCL_ View Post
      Wayland not working with NVIDIA drivers == FAIL for me.


      The idea of lightweight replacement of X server is great. But not running with the only drivers that allow me to develop under Linux... eh
      Put pressure on Nvidia to enable Wayland support in their driver then. See if it works.

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      • #4
        Who's fail though?

        Wayland will never work with the Nvidia drivers the way they are now. It would probably require Nvidia adding some code to the kernel to support kernel mode setting, which would require it to be GPL, so it's pretty unlikely that will happen.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RCL_ View Post
          Wayland not working with NVIDIA drivers == FAIL for me.
          The idea of lightweight replacement of X server is great. But not running with the only drivers that allow me to develop under Linux... eh
          its a litle bit diverend nvidia do not working with linux ;-)

          because linux is opensource ! if you like cloused source please install windows7 and use your nvidia pur cloused source! ''

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          • #6
            nobody needs wayland anyway.

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            • #7
              The proprietary drivers will start supporting wayland once it actually becomes important, just like they include lots of code to allow them to support X. Until then, I think it makes a lot more sense to just continue the early development on the well-understood OSS drivers until it's actually in a usable state. Then they can worry about getting full support from the different vendors and how to implement that whole mess.

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              • #8
                Sadly, I think the X11 protocol is way too underrated... its versatile, expandable, and capable. The X11 protocol does not need replacement

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nerdopolis View Post
                  Sadly, I think the X11 protocol is way too underrated... its versatile, expandable, and capable. The X11 protocol does not need replacement
                  I think I heard something about X developers having a meeting about what Wayland-ish stuff they can make X do without changing the protocol. They seemed optimistic.

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                  • #10
                    So how much of a speed improvement would this be? And what aboug Xlib?

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                    • #11
                      AFAIK the idea with Wayland is that new apps would bypass X and render directly to Wayland surfaces using OpenGL etc., while existing apps would go through Xlib and an X server running on top of Wayland.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by nerdopolis View Post
                        Sadly, I think the X11 protocol is way too underrated... its versatile, expandable, and capable. The X11 protocol does not need replacement
                        X11 has all kinds of flaws, not to mention how bloated it is. It absolutely MUST get a replacement.

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                        • #13
                          Has integrating dxpc to an X extension been tried?

                          Improve bw usage, possibly improve speed & latency as well.

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                          • #14
                            Ah, jeez not again!

                            No offence but if people would have read the comments of previous posts they could have read that multiple better informed/capable people then Michael told X is good and Wayland does not solve anything.

                            Here is some brain-gymnastics for the people who do think Wayland is the bomb: how come all of those smart and talented programmers working on X aren't abandoning it and start working on the Wayland project?

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                            • #15
                              That's surprising. It's not in Fedora - it's obviously not ready.

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