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Grand Theft Auto Running On Direct3D Natively On Linux Shows Gallium3D Potential

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  • #31
    EVE-Online crash with the D3D9 state tracker

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    • #32
      Originally posted by RavFX View Post
      EVE-Online crash with the D3D9 state tracker
      Well, it's far from perfect, try check d3d9 debugging, maybe it's just small problem somewhere

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      • #33
        Originally posted by RavFX View Post
        EVE-Online crash with the D3D9 state tracker
        Wine have much work and time compared to gallium d3d9 tracker and for this reason i dont think wine devs dont use gallium (stefan dosinger on fosdem 2014 talks about gallium dont be supported and without forget some copyrighted issues)

        However if more people, developers and maintainers help maybe this situation can change

        Last edited by pinguinpc; 07-28-2014, 10:38 PM.

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        • #34
          MESA haves potential. Attempts to mimic proprietary API is a dead end though. Its really silly waste of time to mimick proprietary API rather than improve (or even create new) open APIs instead. Same goes for launching windows binaries and so on. If someone needs windows - go buy one. Linux is not windows. Its good enough on its own. There is no future in mimicking windows. Proven by ReactOS which is still a crap after 15 years of development.
          Last edited by 0xBADCODE; 07-28-2014, 11:05 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by 0xBADCODE View Post
            MESA haves potential. Attempts to mimic proprietary API is a dead end though. Its really silly waste of time to mimick proprietary API rather than improve (or even create new) open APIs instead. Same goes for launching windows binaries and so on. If someone needs windows - go buy one. Linux is not windows. Its good enough on its own. There is no future in mimicking windows. Proven by ReactOS which is still a crap after 15 years of development.

            Obviously but ReactOS is trying to do EVERYTHING.. d3d9 is just a graphics ABI and a few other things its doable.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by 0xBADCODE View Post
              MESA haves potential. Attempts to mimic proprietary API is a dead end though. Its really silly waste of time to mimick proprietary API rather than improve (or even create new) open APIs instead. Same goes for launching windows binaries and so on. If someone needs windows - go buy one. Linux is not windows. Its good enough on its own. There is no future in mimicking windows. Proven by ReactOS which is still a crap after 15 years of development.
              I don't understand what you're saying. People using Linux aren't going to want to run two OS's. I doubt developers are interested in porting all their old games to Linux, and you know there's going to be a few new games that won't make it either. The DX9 API isn't going to comete with thinks like OpenGL on linux, but it makes for playing old games bearable. Like it or not the recent attention Linux is getting is due to Valve's influence of bringing games to this OS. They unfortunately don't have a different solution to your run Windows idea.

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              • #37
                i dont know, GTA IV performs pretty good with CSMT patched wine. with nearly everything max i dont see any big framerate drops.
                AMD FX8320 @ 4,2Ghz, GTX 660Ti with prop drivers

                According to benchmark from menus, fps is 56.2 @ 1920x1080p with everything maxed except vehicle density and detail density is in the middle

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                • #38
                  This is fantastic idea. I hope more people will work on this. People from gaming background will never move to linux in numbers if their old games will not work. Thank you devs for making this a reality.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by xpander View Post
                    i dont know, GTA IV performs pretty good with CSMT patched wine. with nearly everything max i dont see any big framerate drops.
                    AMD FX8320 @ 4,2Ghz, GTX 660Ti with prop drivers

                    According to benchmark from menus, fps is 56.2 @ 1920x1080p with everything maxed except vehicle density and detail density is in the middle
                    Yeah , keep in mind that , on this video , the graphics card is at 0a performance level , it is still 4 times slower than top memory clock speed
                    Also another thing , aside from fps , is that the temporary freezes while loading stuff are completely gone on most games , especially games like skyrim , mafia 2 ( this one still has some graphics issues to be sorted )

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by tehehe View Post
                      This is fantastic idea. I hope more people will work on this. People from gaming background will never move to linux in numbers if their old games will not work. Thank you devs for making this a reality.
                      The only game I'd still need on Linux is MS FSX, which has no FPS problems, despite its very high demands on the hw, but some other alike:
                      http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23007

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by mike4 View Post
                        The only game I'd still need on Linux is MS FSX, which has no FPS problems, despite its very high demands on the hw, but some other alike:
                        http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23007
                        It is your fault if you decide to use FSX while there is a technically far superior product out there running natively on Linux and is available on Steam. You know what i am talking about ...
                        There is no point in using abandoned windows software from stonage

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by tizbac View Post
                          Yeah , keep in mind that , on this video , the graphics card is at 0a performance level , it is still 4 times slower than top memory clock speed
                          Also another thing , aside from fps , is that the temporary freezes while loading stuff are completely gone on most games , especially games like skyrim , mafia 2 ( this one still has some graphics issues to be sorted )
                          I wonder. Since the ENB Enhancer for Skyrim injects something into D3D9 would that also be possible in the Wine version with the State Tracker?
                          Last edited by blackout23; 07-29-2014, 07:31 AM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                            I wonder. Since the ENB Enhancer for Skyrim injects something into D3D9 would that also be possible in the Wine version with the State Tracker?
                            if it alters windows d3d9 code , it won't work , because it expects microsoft code at microsoft choosen addresses , that's why most games have to be cracked to run on wine , it's because DRMs are heavily obfuscated and make assumptions about DLLs layout, so they won't work on wine, or anything that is not windows

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by tizbac View Post
                              Yeah , keep in mind that , on this video , the graphics card is at 0a performance level , it is still 4 times slower than top memory clock speed
                              Also another thing , aside from fps , is that the temporary freezes while loading stuff are completely gone on most games , especially games like skyrim , mafia 2 ( this one still has some graphics issues to be sorted )
                              saying game will work 4x faster is not making sense. once you hit cpu bottleneck it doesn't matter how fast your gpu is. but, i have to admit it would be interesting info i'd like to know

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
                                saying game will work 4x faster is not making sense. once you hit cpu bottleneck it doesn't matter how fast your gpu is. but, i have to admit it would be interesting info i'd like to know
                                I've not said the game will be 4x faster , but the clock frequencies on the video are 4x slower , so there's still plenty of room for performance improvement maybe

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