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  • #21
    how stuff looks isnt nearly as important as how well it works and compositing desktop effects serve no purpose

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
      lxde is the only decent DE left in linux for pros.
      Okay, let us take your opinion here as a rule. So you are saying the simpler a DE, the better it is for pros? Why do you not just take the next step and use Openbox or Fluxbox then?

      Do not get me wrong, I like LXDE and use it on many of our older machines, but that old slogan is beginning to grate on me. Sometimes professional users want features in their DE. Sometimes they even want a full bling desktop like KDE or Gnome 3.

      You can not define a whole group of people based on your own biases.

      Plus, I do not see how Xfce can not rank in this regard either, considering your criteria.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
        how stuff looks isnt nearly as important as how well it works and compositing desktop effects serve no purpose
        Compositing doesn't only change the way things looks, it also changes the way it feels.

        It makes it feel smooth, slick, polished, modern, responsive.
        It heightens the experience.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
          Sometimes professional users want features in their DE. Sometimes they even want a full bling desktop like KDE or Gnome 3.
          That's a bit unfair. It is perfectly possible to have a very minimalist desktop based on these two (well, at least on KDE), and that's what professional users tend to do.

          Turn off most effects and most unnecessary services, and they can be really snappy.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by uid313 View Post
            Compositing doesn't only change the way things looks, it also changes the way it feels.

            It makes it feel smooth, slick, polished, modern, responsive.
            It heightens the experience.
            Except when it doesn't.

            Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
            That's a bit unfair. It is perfectly possible to have a very minimalist desktop based on these two (well, at least on KDE), and that's what professional users tend to do.

            Turn off most effects and most unnecessary services, and they can be really snappy.
            Yes, but you can not deny the purpose of those desktops is to be "modern" and to have a certain amount of fancy features. But my point was to tell people not to assume that all types of users would want to use a certain interface, which I think is actually in line with what you were saying in basics.

            Still, I do not really see the point in cutting down KDE by turning off the desktop effects, widgets, and the like just to end up with what is in basics Xfce.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
              Still, I do not really see the point in cutting down KDE by turning off the desktop effects, widgets, and the like just to end up with what is in basics Xfce.
              I don't cut it that much. I have a minimalistic panel on the left with a taskbar and some quick-launch buttons, a few useful widgets, and a few useful GL effects, that's it. Since I use many KDE applications, it would make no sense at all to run Xfce as my desktop, since I have all the libs loaded anyway, and KDE certainly not a worse desktop than Xfce.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                Okay, let us take your opinion here as a rule. So you are saying the simpler a DE, the better it is for pros? Why do you not just take the next step and use Openbox or Fluxbox then?

                Do not get me wrong, I like LXDE and use it on many of our older machines, but that old slogan is beginning to grate on me. Sometimes professional users want features in their DE. Sometimes they even want a full bling desktop like KDE or Gnome 3.

                You can not define a whole group of people based on your own biases.

                Plus, I do not see how Xfce can not rank in this regard either, considering your criteria.

                you want a rotating cube? woobly windows? genie effect minimize? fire windows and breaking them into cubes? well guess what you can have that in LXDE and it will be 3x faster than kde/gnome


                but why would ANYONE over 12 years old want that??

                lxde is pretty much openbox with some stuff added.


                I jumped into linux a few months ago and I was fascinated with gnome 3, I loved the big ass colorful icons the 'activities' click etc etc... I loved it when I saw it a friends house, when I installed fedora with gnome and actually started using it I found it to be an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE

                gnome 3 has no place in a laptop or desktop, and the tablets that it was supposedely designed for DON'T EXIST.

                In firefox I would say the TOP 25% of your screen is occupied by a fat firefox tab and the gnome taskbar. WHAT FAIL IS THIS?

                But I guess I'm the only one who likes to minimize and switch between windows in an instant and see what windows I have open without having to click this and that.

                Let me tell you how BADLY gnome people fucked up:

                this is me after a few minutes of using a DE that is simple, intuitive, clean and good lookin

                http://youtu.be/2uh2JxGyJXU


                y'know the kicker? it is based on gnome 3 but they were able to remove all cancer from it.


                KDE is just a pile of vomit of icons text menus and fail

                Pros know that a DE should never come between them and their programs and should never CAUSE A PERFOMANCE HIT on their programs

                even a lobotimized lesbian chicken could tell you that unity and gnome cause such a perfomance hit.


                THIS IS WHAT A LAPTOP/DESKTOP DE SHOULD LOOK LIKE

                http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...untu_12.10.png

                stop trying to fuck things up

                no one is going to use your shit on ANY TABLET OR SMARTPHONE GTF OVER IT

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                  ...A dull rant...
                  Ok, so here's a crazy thought that people on this forum might struggle to get - but I'm going to put it out there:

                  Maybe, just maybe people like their chosen DE - because they like it! The priorities they want to see in their chosen DE may not be yours. I use Gnome 3 every day for programming, playing games on Steam, browsing the net, etc. Some 'normal' stuff, and some technical niche stuff - and I know it's best DE I have ever tried. I know LXDE, XFCE, that Lubuntu screenie you posted, are ugly and old-fashioned looking to me.

                  I know you're struggling with this, but brace yourself for this one:

                  That doesn't make me right and you wrong, or vice versa. Neither opinion is correct.

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                  • #29
                    gnome3?

                    so you are using ubuntu gnome remix and you downloaded the steam beta for it?

                    and you are a programmer

                    your post reeks of bullshit


                    THE FACT IS KID:


                    linux is not used by people who 'want to play steam games'

                    linux is, or should be, supposed to be used by a specific type of user.


                    Do you think rhel will ever EVER even touch gnome 3? fuck no

                    What is that they use now gnome 2?

                    you see what gnome people did? they just fucked up a clear technological upgrade path

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      gnome3?
                      Yes.

                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      so you are using ubuntu gnome remix...
                      No, I'm using Gnome 3 on openSUSE. I appreciate that this a Ubuntu thread, but your post was ranting about Gnome 3 in places so I picked up that.

                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      ...and you downloaded the steam beta for it?
                      No, I'm running the current stable version through WINE. I signed up for the Linux beta, but I guess a million others did too.

                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      and you are a programmer
                      Yes, have been professional for years.

                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      your post reeks of bullshit
                      How so?

                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      THE FACT IS KID:
                      I'm 27.

                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      linux is not used by people who 'want to play steam games'
                      Wow. That's quite a statement. Immediately disproved by myself, and not to mention that the most exciting thing that's happened to the Linux community for years is the news that Valve are building a native Linux Steam client.

                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      linux is, or should be, supposed to be used by a specific type of user.
                      And what kind of stereotypical person would that be? Someone with no friends, who spends all day and night in their dark bedroom (in their parent's house) alternating between fruitless forum flame wars and porn? Surely the whole point of the kernel is that it can be used to build any distro you care to make, so Linux can be available to everyone and all tastes?


                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      Do you think rhel will ever EVER even touch gnome 3? fuck no

                      What is that they use now gnome 2?

                      you see what gnome people did? they just fucked up a clear technological upgrade path
                      If RHEL users vote to not use Gnome 3 due to way they use the distro, then good for them - but that doesn't make Gnome 3 bad for everyone else.

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