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  • #16
    Just do what E17 does

    E17 does a composited environment WITHOUT LLVMPIPE fallback for gl (which is glacially slow fyi)... it can use Gl .. if it is there, and software compositing, if it is not. it works on really old and low-end hardware too - acceptably. it works inside VM's. it works eveywhere and no need to maintain both a "2d" and "3d" desktop - it''s the SAME desktop simply with a different rendering engine plugged in.

    the way both gnome3/shell do things and unity is crazy, having 2d/fallback DESKTOPS that are vastly different (And no wonder they want to stop maintaining them).

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    • #17
      Originally posted by squirrl View Post
      The developers who forked it from Blackbox contributed the single most important desktop environment the entire world has ever known.
      Why? Because, try it and you'll like it. Couple it with Thunar (ever how it's spelled) and you should have all you need for managing disk volumes.

      On the other hand, there's Windowmaker. Yet again Thunnar and you're good.
      To hop on the bitching train, as an Xfce user I can tell you that Thunar is probably the least favourable feature of the desktop, I so I find it very amusing that is the part that you choose the grab.

      Originally posted by ElderSnake View Post
      I thought that as long as you are Undirecting Fullscreen Windows (and of course, running fullscreen. Not always possible or desirable, I know) that compositing wasn't really always a big deal. I've always just noticed the hits when I've had to run a game in a window. In KDE of course, thankfully I can just switch off Compositing completely with Shift-Alt-F12 and vice versa.
      On a more positive note, the Xfce compositor is also fairly good and nicely configurable. And yes, it supports Undirecting Fullscreen Windows.
      Last edited by Hamish Wilson; 10-30-2012, 01:19 AM.

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      • #18
        debian 7 beta LXDE > lubuntu 12.10



        BUT

        I have to say lubuntu 12.10 so far has been the best looking shipped lxde theme I've seen

        all lxde distros SHOULD use the lubuntu theme

        I have been saying this for awhile

        lxde is the only decent DE left in linux for pros.

        for non pros I guess cinnamon and pantheon even mate will do

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        • #19
          Bring back Unity 2D. It may be used together with Compiz for some nice effects but when the computer cant handle it
          or you don't want that buggy shit it may also be used with mutter or something else.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
            lxde is the only decent DE left in linux for pros.
            Define "pro". I'm a professional C++ developer for Linux software, and I use Gnome 3 at home - do I not count as "pro" anymore?

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            • #21
              how stuff looks isnt nearly as important as how well it works and compositing desktop effects serve no purpose

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                lxde is the only decent DE left in linux for pros.
                Okay, let us take your opinion here as a rule. So you are saying the simpler a DE, the better it is for pros? Why do you not just take the next step and use Openbox or Fluxbox then?

                Do not get me wrong, I like LXDE and use it on many of our older machines, but that old slogan is beginning to grate on me. Sometimes professional users want features in their DE. Sometimes they even want a full bling desktop like KDE or Gnome 3.

                You can not define a whole group of people based on your own biases.

                Plus, I do not see how Xfce can not rank in this regard either, considering your criteria.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
                  how stuff looks isnt nearly as important as how well it works and compositing desktop effects serve no purpose
                  Compositing doesn't only change the way things looks, it also changes the way it feels.

                  It makes it feel smooth, slick, polished, modern, responsive.
                  It heightens the experience.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                    Sometimes professional users want features in their DE. Sometimes they even want a full bling desktop like KDE or Gnome 3.
                    That's a bit unfair. It is perfectly possible to have a very minimalist desktop based on these two (well, at least on KDE), and that's what professional users tend to do.

                    Turn off most effects and most unnecessary services, and they can be really snappy.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                      Compositing doesn't only change the way things looks, it also changes the way it feels.

                      It makes it feel smooth, slick, polished, modern, responsive.
                      It heightens the experience.
                      Except when it doesn't.

                      Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                      That's a bit unfair. It is perfectly possible to have a very minimalist desktop based on these two (well, at least on KDE), and that's what professional users tend to do.

                      Turn off most effects and most unnecessary services, and they can be really snappy.
                      Yes, but you can not deny the purpose of those desktops is to be "modern" and to have a certain amount of fancy features. But my point was to tell people not to assume that all types of users would want to use a certain interface, which I think is actually in line with what you were saying in basics.

                      Still, I do not really see the point in cutting down KDE by turning off the desktop effects, widgets, and the like just to end up with what is in basics Xfce.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                        Still, I do not really see the point in cutting down KDE by turning off the desktop effects, widgets, and the like just to end up with what is in basics Xfce.
                        I don't cut it that much. I have a minimalistic panel on the left with a taskbar and some quick-launch buttons, a few useful widgets, and a few useful GL effects, that's it. Since I use many KDE applications, it would make no sense at all to run Xfce as my desktop, since I have all the libs loaded anyway, and KDE certainly not a worse desktop than Xfce.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                          Okay, let us take your opinion here as a rule. So you are saying the simpler a DE, the better it is for pros? Why do you not just take the next step and use Openbox or Fluxbox then?

                          Do not get me wrong, I like LXDE and use it on many of our older machines, but that old slogan is beginning to grate on me. Sometimes professional users want features in their DE. Sometimes they even want a full bling desktop like KDE or Gnome 3.

                          You can not define a whole group of people based on your own biases.

                          Plus, I do not see how Xfce can not rank in this regard either, considering your criteria.

                          you want a rotating cube? woobly windows? genie effect minimize? fire windows and breaking them into cubes? well guess what you can have that in LXDE and it will be 3x faster than kde/gnome


                          but why would ANYONE over 12 years old want that??

                          lxde is pretty much openbox with some stuff added.


                          I jumped into linux a few months ago and I was fascinated with gnome 3, I loved the big ass colorful icons the 'activities' click etc etc... I loved it when I saw it a friends house, when I installed fedora with gnome and actually started using it I found it to be an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE

                          gnome 3 has no place in a laptop or desktop, and the tablets that it was supposedely designed for DON'T EXIST.

                          In firefox I would say the TOP 25% of your screen is occupied by a fat firefox tab and the gnome taskbar. WHAT FAIL IS THIS?

                          But I guess I'm the only one who likes to minimize and switch between windows in an instant and see what windows I have open without having to click this and that.

                          Let me tell you how BADLY gnome people fucked up:

                          this is me after a few minutes of using a DE that is simple, intuitive, clean and good lookin

                          http://youtu.be/2uh2JxGyJXU


                          y'know the kicker? it is based on gnome 3 but they were able to remove all cancer from it.


                          KDE is just a pile of vomit of icons text menus and fail

                          Pros know that a DE should never come between them and their programs and should never CAUSE A PERFOMANCE HIT on their programs

                          even a lobotimized lesbian chicken could tell you that unity and gnome cause such a perfomance hit.


                          THIS IS WHAT A LAPTOP/DESKTOP DE SHOULD LOOK LIKE

                          http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...untu_12.10.png

                          stop trying to fuck things up

                          no one is going to use your shit on ANY TABLET OR SMARTPHONE GTF OVER IT

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                            ...A dull rant...
                            Ok, so here's a crazy thought that people on this forum might struggle to get - but I'm going to put it out there:

                            Maybe, just maybe people like their chosen DE - because they like it! The priorities they want to see in their chosen DE may not be yours. I use Gnome 3 every day for programming, playing games on Steam, browsing the net, etc. Some 'normal' stuff, and some technical niche stuff - and I know it's best DE I have ever tried. I know LXDE, XFCE, that Lubuntu screenie you posted, are ugly and old-fashioned looking to me.

                            I know you're struggling with this, but brace yourself for this one:

                            That doesn't make me right and you wrong, or vice versa. Neither opinion is correct.

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                            • #29
                              gnome3?

                              so you are using ubuntu gnome remix and you downloaded the steam beta for it?

                              and you are a programmer

                              your post reeks of bullshit


                              THE FACT IS KID:


                              linux is not used by people who 'want to play steam games'

                              linux is, or should be, supposed to be used by a specific type of user.


                              Do you think rhel will ever EVER even touch gnome 3? fuck no

                              What is that they use now gnome 2?

                              you see what gnome people did? they just fucked up a clear technological upgrade path

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                                gnome3?
                                Yes.

                                Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                                so you are using ubuntu gnome remix...
                                No, I'm using Gnome 3 on openSUSE. I appreciate that this a Ubuntu thread, but your post was ranting about Gnome 3 in places so I picked up that.

                                Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                                ...and you downloaded the steam beta for it?
                                No, I'm running the current stable version through WINE. I signed up for the Linux beta, but I guess a million others did too.

                                Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                                and you are a programmer
                                Yes, have been professional for years.

                                Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                                your post reeks of bullshit
                                How so?

                                Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                                THE FACT IS KID:
                                I'm 27.

                                Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                                linux is not used by people who 'want to play steam games'
                                Wow. That's quite a statement. Immediately disproved by myself, and not to mention that the most exciting thing that's happened to the Linux community for years is the news that Valve are building a native Linux Steam client.

                                Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                                linux is, or should be, supposed to be used by a specific type of user.
                                And what kind of stereotypical person would that be? Someone with no friends, who spends all day and night in their dark bedroom (in their parent's house) alternating between fruitless forum flame wars and porn? Surely the whole point of the kernel is that it can be used to build any distro you care to make, so Linux can be available to everyone and all tastes?


                                Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                                Do you think rhel will ever EVER even touch gnome 3? fuck no

                                What is that they use now gnome 2?

                                you see what gnome people did? they just fucked up a clear technological upgrade path
                                If RHEL users vote to not use Gnome 3 due to way they use the distro, then good for them - but that doesn't make Gnome 3 bad for everyone else.

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