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    Phoronix: Nine Reasons Mesa 9.0 Is Disappointing For End-Users

    While this morning I shared my views about nine good features of Mesa 9.0 for the major open-source OpenGL user-space update, there's also many disappointing items and shortcomings of this Mesa 9.0 release as it pertains to end-users running the open-source Linux graphics drivers...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTIwMzA

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    Isn't there a saying don't kick a man when he is down... in any case Mesa is much better than AMD's catalyst especially on my laptop's radeon 4200.

    Case in point I can play wine games without artifacts which isn't possible with the proprietary driver. Performance is good enough for many classes of games. FPS games being the main exception. For the most part games don't require high frame rates. If it looked like warmed over pond scum at high frame rates what would be the point.

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    • #3
      This article seems like a part of bigger issues plaguing Linux.

      It's very nice to see that Michael is not wearing rose-colored glasses.

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      • #4
        Michael, has autumns bad mood cached you when you wrote that article? ;-)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by xeros View Post
          Michael, has autumns bad mood cached you when you wrote that article? ;-)
          More like he's a person who's really interested in Linux becoming a viable alternative to Windows on the desktop, and he gets sick when seeing the current state of affairs.

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          • #6
            feature list is not all... for me only "bug" hunting matters

            my personal problems right now with oibaf:
            Arma2 in wine crash hard on hd4770.
            kwin 3D desktop in kde crash on a hd3850.(only 2D savemode works)

            maybe its just oibaf i should try mesa9 without freaking git stuff..

            will kubuntu 12.10 get the mesa9 stuff?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by birdie View Post
              More like he's a person who's really interested in Linux becoming a viable alternative to Windows on the desktop, and he gets sick when seeing the current state of affairs.
              Do you really think this? He drive all his favour computers with MAC-OS-X

              But on the other side he earns money on the linux stuff so maybe he care because of the money.

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              • #8
                Michael you can complement this article with one that describes all the methods someone can help mesa. The TODOs, donations etc.

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                • #9
                  It isn't mesa-related but I will difinitely add:
                  STILL NO DECENT RADEON POWER MANAGEMENT
                  ## VGA ##
                  AMD: X1950XTX, HD3870, HD5870
                  Intel: GMA45, HD3000 (Core i5 2500K)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by birdie View Post
                    This article seems like a part of bigger issues plaguing Linux.

                    It's very nice to see that Michael is not wearing rose-colored glasses.
                    Nice page!

                    Linux is far superior for any kind of calculations/programming/documentation on a desktop. If I think of MikTex -.- and TeXnicCentre seems the only viable editor etc. in Windows, no native Python support in a shell (OK, you can install Python in Windows and have a shell, too), no workspaces after ~20 years of development, no Gnome3 etc.

                    At least those are some reasons I use it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                      Michael you can complement this article with one that describes all the methods someone can help mesa. The TODOs, donations etc.
                      I'm just waiting for an article which will look at all of Wayland's current shortcomings.... bahahahahah, just kidding, that's not happening. Actually, I was worried because we haven't had a "Mesa is a miserable failure" article in a while.

                      Wait for the next article where somebody fixes indentation in Wayland (!!) then we'll have an article about the future of the Linux desktop "This next-generation display server brings MORE exciting changes! A header file was renamed!! Meanwhile, Mesa still doesn't support OpenGL 3.2, 3.3, 4.0, 4.1 and 4.2......... Here's a photo of beer."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by darkbasic View Post
                        It isn't mesa-related but I will difinitely add:
                        STILL NO DECENT RADEON POWER MANAGEMENT
                        I agree. This is way more important than raw 3d performance. But it's not likely to come soon, because some brain-dead burocrat is afraid of their IP. Are you afraid of the Chinese AMD ?

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                        • #13
                          MESA PEOPLE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT POWER MANAGEMENT AND VIDEO ACCELERATION.

                          ITS UP TO NVIDIA AND AMD TO RELEASE DOCS


                          Hope this makes it clear

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                          • #14
                            First, thank you very much to Mesa, Gallium and OpenSource drivers developers.

                            Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                            Michael you can complement this article with one that describes all the methods someone can help mesa. The TODOs, donations etc.
                            Good point. I think the criticisms are correct as long as discuss how the project could be improved with our help. Anyway I think that Phoronix helps a lot with their benchmarks and articles, but sometimes the articles are a bit sensationalist

                            The only thing that I have to say is that I could not run "SteamPac 3d" with Mesa 8:
                            http://steampac3d.blogspot.com.es

                            Now with Mesa 9 (Nouveau driver) works as fast as with proprietary drivers.

                            PD:I see that write everything in capital letters and large size is allowed in this forum. It's very annoying.
                            Last edited by YAFU; 10-10-2012, 07:21 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by birdie View Post
                              This article seems like a part of bigger issues plaguing Linux.

                              It's very nice to see that Michael is not wearing rose-colored glasses.
                              I have only read the first two parts but I already can't take it seriously anymore.

                              It's supposed to be the "2012" edition, but...

                              1.1 PRIME/DMA-buf?
                              2.1 2012 edition. He/She links to SLASHDOT THREADS from 2009 and 2007. WAT
                              http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/files/audio.png I don't have experience about pulseaudio + multiuser but I do remember the "linux sucks" talk by datenwolf where he did a live demonstration how consolekit transferred the access rights on a fast user switch. Is the problem that the first user's pulseaudio would still have access even if it technically shouldn't have?

                              http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/files/linuxaudio.png No. Just no. At first sight I saw about five programs/libraries that are also available on windows. You have such a headache on windows because you can choose between directly outputting sound to the windows sound architecture or using SDL or openal? Every time someone posts this they don't seem to understand what it means: Most of the items shown are abstractions that are there to faciliate certain things or make sure you don't need to write sound system specific code.

                              http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.p...5&cid=39847439 No. That his sound doesn't work (yes, "doesn't work" is his whole description) out of the box with pulseaudio while alsa works is obviously a bug. But he doesn't even know that dmix has been enabled for years now? And then his ranting is incoherent that because everything was still set to pulse it uses still pulseaudio and thus sound mixing worked... So why does it suddenly work now, and how, after he purged pulseaudio? Did he not kill pulseaudio and it was still running from memory? Still, why did it work with pulseaudio now and not before? Sorry, if you rely on incoherent rants that have no reasonable description whatsoever of what the problem is you're gonna have a bad time with me.

                              ...

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