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  • #11
    I've got some older hardware, but I'm OK with this.

    KDE is a heavier desktop, is designed for newer computers, and as such should keep a certain focus. If I want to run the older hardware, I'll run XFCE, LXDE, or E17. Which I'd likely do anyways.

    On my main computer, I'll stick with KDE.

    Some things are just going to have to change, and linux/OSS technologies are no different. Do you think you're going to run your Pentium II for the next 20 years?

    EDIT: Oh, and about Catalyst, I've never had much luck with it anyways, no matter when/where I've tried it. I'd like to know what Bridgman and the boys are planning on doing to bring the OSS driver up to speed on this, if that's even necessary.
    Last edited by halfmanhalfamazing; 02-20-2012, 11:23 PM.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by salsadoom View Post
      Are you trolling?
      It was a little tongue-in-cheek. You could also upgrade to Gnome 2 or Unity. Not Gnome Shell, because fglrx doesn't support that either.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
        How about a better idea. Inform AMD of the plans then rip out OGL1 when they have the driver ready.
        Isn't that what this blog post is doing? As far as getting AMD to support it, well, I'm not sure there's any sign AMD cares about working in KWin. Let's hope they do.

        I can imagine these proposals may also distrupt Wine and hardware gfx?
        How in the world would this affect Wine? It wouldn't. Just like you could run Wine and other 3D apps with older KDE/Gnome releases before 3D desktops came about, this affects nothing except the window manager.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
          How about a better idea. Inform AMD of the plans then rip out OGL1 when they have the driver ready.
          Here's an idea: this is the notification, and AMD can avert disaster by making sure that "when they have the driver ready" is before the next major Kwin release.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
            How about a better idea. Inform AMD of the plans then rip out OGL1 when they have the driver ready.
            Isn't this the notification?

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            • #16
              Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
              IHow in the world would this affect Wine? It wouldn't. Just like you could run Wine and other 3D apps with older KDE/Gnome releases before 3D desktops came about, this affects nothing except the window manager.
              I put '?' at the end of ther sentence.

              KDE still needs to interact with gfx like mode changes.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
                Isn't this the notification?
                How will AMD see this thread or post article, if they happen to not visit here. Someone needs to act as boss and instruct/request AMD on objectives.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                  not really i do the same! KDE works well with the radeon driver.
                  I can confirm this.

                  Code:
                  $ lspci -nn
                  02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5400 Series] [1002:68e0]
                  
                  $ lshw -short
                  /0/1                     processor      Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU       M 460  @ 2.53GHz
                  /0/100/1/0               display        Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5400 Series]
                  
                  $ glxinfo | grep OpenGL
                  OpenGL vendor string: X.Org
                  OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD CEDAR
                  OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0-rc2
                  OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20
                  
                  $ uname -a
                  Linux enceladus 3.2.0-17-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 17 21:35:49 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
                  
                  $ modinfo radeon
                  filename:       /lib/modules/3.2.0-17-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon.ko
                  license:        GPL and additional rights
                  description:    ATI Radeon
                  author:         Gareth Hughes, Keith Whitwell, others.
                  depends:        drm,drm_kms_helper,ttm,i2c-algo-bit
                  intree:         Y
                  vermagic:       3.2.0-17-generic SMP mod_unload modversions
                  Works like an absolute charm with KDE. Every possible bling effect in kwin one could possibly want. Extremely snappy and responsive.
                  Last edited by hal2k1; 02-21-2012, 01:29 AM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by salsadoom View Post
                    Well, that's an obnoxious pain in the ass. My Laptop has the videocard thats in it and thats it, I'd hate to lose my nice desktop effects and the functionality they bring while they think that AMD cares enough to upgrade anything. Like AMD cares about the KDE desktop users... I'm pretty sure that they don't give a spit.
                    Huh?

                    KDE users (such as me) with a laptop with AMD/ATI graphics hardware can run the open source Radeon driver.

                    After all, it works like an absolute charm with KDE and kwin.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by hal2k1 View Post
                      Works like an absolute charm with KDE. Every possible bling effect in kwin one could possibly want. Extremely snappy and responsive.
                      The Radeon driver is also extremely slow when compared to fglrx in Wine games.

                      Why buy an expensive GFX card if the driver will only going to do 3d mode for KWin at acceptable levels.

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