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  • #31
    Just to clarify, I'm not in any way against open-source drivers, and didn't meant to imply that in my post. I was just pointing out what I perceived to be a rendering issue. I did respond to Q's free-vs-closed rant, but for some reason, the forum software ate it and sent it for moderation rather than immediate posting.

    To cut a long story short: I'm using r600g right now. I wouldn't do that if I didn't think the open-source driver effort was worthwhile.

    OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD CAYMAN
    OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0

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    • #32
      Originally posted by mangobrain View Post
      Just to clarify, I'm not in any way against open-source drivers, and didn't meant to imply that in my post. I was just pointing out what I perceived to be a rendering issue. I did respond to Q's free-vs-closed rant, but for some reason, the forum software ate it and sent it for moderation rather than immediate posting.

      To cut a long story short: I'm using r600g right now. I wouldn't do that if I didn't think the open-source driver effort was worthwhile.

      OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD CAYMAN
      OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0
      Hmm, shouldn't Cayman be compatible with OGL3, if you're running mesa 8?
      As for the compatibility problems, my understanding is that this is a problem with the Khronos group. That is, they aren't prproviding reference implementations to test against, or suites with which to test the entire API. Apparently, D3D has such tests, thus it is much easier to determine correctness.

      As for why this work hasn't been done for OGL...?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by mangobrain View Post
        It might possibly have been a teensy bit ironic had your statement actually been true, but calling something ironic doesn't magically make it ironic. You're currently failing harder than Michael did when he used lossy compression in the first place. It's like those shops that put up notices in the window titled "POLITE NOTICE". You don't get to tell me it's polite up front, I have to read it and decide whether or not it's polite. Otherwise you might just as well put "POLITE NOTICE: F**K YOU!".

        Face it, Q, your posts have been rapidly going downhill of late.
        just a knowledge update for you: the basic ironic is the direct opposite of the truth.
        but you think ironic do have a magic secret point of joke.
        no in fact ironic is not a secret point of joke.

        just for the record people have different taste of what is a joke.

        i for example i LOLz over loud about your "Serious" response and this prove : yes my joke work! LOL!..

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        • #34
          Originally posted by mangobrain View Post
          Why don't you go and write your magical, bug-free driver then come back and tell us how hard it was? Have you ever actually *written* any code?
          yes i follow some "hello world" how to a wile ago

          and a driver doesn't matter only a software reverence renderer matters in this question.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by liam View Post
            Hmm, shouldn't Cayman be compatible with OGL3, if you're running mesa 8?
            As for the compatibility problems, my understanding is that this is a problem with the Khronos group. That is, they aren't prproviding reference implementations to test against, or suites with which to test the entire API. Apparently, D3D has such tests, thus it is much easier to determine correctness.

            As for why this work hasn't been done for OGL...?
            my glxinfo:
            OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV740
            OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 8.0-devel (git-c565ff6 oneiric-oibaf-ppa)
            OpenGL shading language version string: 1.30

            but 3.0 is only there if you set:
            R600_GLSL130=1
            R600_STREAMOUT=1

            in the .pam_environment file in your home dir

            and i think MESA is the reference implementations of the Khronos group

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
              and i think MESA is the reference implementations of the Khronos group
              I think you're wrong, and as proof i offer the observation that Mesa just got GL 3 support, and is no where close to having GL4.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                just a knowledge update for you: the basic ironic is the direct opposite of the truth.
                but you think ironic do have a magic secret point of joke.
                no in fact ironic is not a secret point of joke.
                that doesn't even make sense, dude. LOL.... you should do us all a favor and just cut and paste web-dictionary definitions, as your definitions seem like they are being pounded out, on a keyboard by a retarded drunken monkey impersonating a caveman, but only after receiving severe permanent brain-damage. LOL. SERIOUSLY!

                Irony:

                the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning. example: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

                Ironic:

                Happening in the opposite way to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this... (let's compare)

                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                the basic ironic is the direct opposite of the truth
                WTF?! ....retarded monkey talk. ~ ironic is an adjective and not a noun. therefore, your sentence makes absolutely NO sense. furthermore, your definition doesn't even explain what irony is.

                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                but you think ironic do have a magic secret point of joke
                ...more incoherent retarded drunk monkey talk.

                here, let me try;

                Me no understood. where does 'magic secret point of joke' meant? Why did you mean by there?!? duh duh duh - did i do it right???

                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                just for the record people have different taste of what is a joke.

                i for example i LOLz over loud about your "Serious" response and this prove : yes my joke work! LOL!..
                nah, from an outside perspective - you seem like an Imbosil.

                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                and i think MESA is the reference implementations of the Khronos group
                yup, retarded for sure.
                Last edited by ninez; 02-13-2012, 08:55 PM.

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                • #38
                  For those of you that have missed it, Qar is a pro troll. If I ran a site like this, I would hire one or two of them to pad the forum for additional click revenue.

                  Being a pro troll is easy. You simply say something completely intangible and crazy. Here's an example:

                  "While John Bridgman is an open source developer, his defence of the closed source catalyst binaries makes him an Uncle-Tom in the eyes of many FOSS advocates"

                  It's untrue, ambiguous, personal, almost looks like it makes sense, and I could write page after page of nonsense defending it. Ultimately, it is meaningless and exists only to create a post-storm of bullshit melodrama. I created a "them" and an "us" to devide participants into two groups, mixed in a racial metaphor to get one of the groups mad, and did it all in a single sentence that pretends to make sense. The only downfall is that the spelling and grammer (while not totally correct) is way too good, so I cannot play the "you misunderstood me" card later in an effort to keep the argument going.

                  JB, nothing personal, this was just a demonstration on how someone would go about trolling the forum. You're not an uncle tom, mainly because it's impossible as we don't have slavery any more. Secondly because IP isn't actual "property". Thirdly, because it makes no sense whatsoever and you're white.... It's complete rubish and I feel bad for writing it, even if it is only to show people how to troll.

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                  • #39
                    Meh. When I saw the number of posts I was hoping for some interesting insights/discussions about image quality from people who know something about this.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      just a knowledge update for you: the basic ironic is the direct opposite of the truth.
                      Oh, and no. The direct opposite of the truth is called a "lie". Irony is something else.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                        Oh, and no. The direct opposite of the truth is called a "lie". Irony is something else.
                        It's like ray-eee-ayne....... On your wedding day...... If you're a meteorologist.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by russofris View Post
                          It's like ray-eee-ayne....... On your wedding day...... If you're a meteorologist.
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY_amJ0YZrM

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                          • #43
                            Mesa absolutely is NOT the reference implementation (@Qaridium: that's spelled with an f, not a v).
                            It's a third-party implementation of a standard, which isn't even permitted to refer to the standard in its name.
                            It has passed many conformance tests using the software renderer, but then, so have the NVidia & AMD/ATI blobs--and thase have passed more current ones (or they couldn't advertise OpenGL 4 support)
                            If you bothered to read the history under doc/, you'd know this.

                            There is a free "Sample Implementation" for OpenGL, but it wasn't updated past GL1.4.

                            OpenGL 3 is only available on radeon with "8.0"-git (="master" head, not the mesa 8.0 branch), FWIW.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Ibidem View Post
                              Mesa absolutely is NOT the reference implementation (@Qaridium: that's spelled with an f, not a v).
                              It's a third-party implementation of a standard, which isn't even permitted to refer to the standard in its name.
                              It has passed many conformance tests using the software renderer, but then, so have the NVidia & AMD/ATI blobs--and thase have passed more current ones (or they couldn't advertise OpenGL 4 support)
                              If you bothered to read the history under doc/, you'd know this.

                              There is a free "Sample Implementation" for OpenGL, but it wasn't updated past GL1.4.

                              OpenGL 3 is only available on radeon with "8.0"-git (="master" head, not the mesa 8.0 branch), FWIW.
                              If you find a place where mesa is non-reference, feel free to submit bug :P

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by russofris View Post
                                JB, nothing personal, this was just a demonstration on how someone would go about trolling the forum. You're not an uncle tom, mainly because it's impossible as we don't have slavery any more. Secondly because IP isn't actual "property". Thirdly, because it makes no sense whatsoever and you're white.... It's complete rubish and I feel bad for writing it, even if it is only to show people how to troll.
                                Property is property; and you are somewhere correct about JB, at least I stongly believe it is his assigned job, rather than personal position.

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