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  • #61
    Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
    Because the internet is always right and video never lies...
    Many people are able to source reliable information from the net as I stated phoronix forums aren't a reliable source. Some degree of initiative in necessary.

    It makes me feel patronising having to spell this out to you but you had to make that flippant comment. The idea that you can't source reliable info from the web is a product of the same simplistic thinking as the idea that Wikipedia is rubbish compared to printed encyclopaedias. You have to have basic awareness of when it comes to sourcing any information from any source and we can all mess up, but we can all take measures to cross reference and seek more reliable sites (Not phoronix). I do this and I imagine most active internet users do this without even thinking. Certainly if a claim is a big one like the patent systems getting fundamentally destroyed it would be best either check it or ignore it till you hear the same thing from a more credible source. If anything now we have the web many people are more aware of the factual inaccuracies that was always there in all media.
    Last edited by Nevertime; 09-20-2011, 08:45 PM.

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    • #62
      Seriously, my bad ofcourse, but could the US government please freaking stop making names for acts that are the complete opposite of what they are called?
      Hehe, actually First-To-File is not a US Gov invented word, it's the international term for the system.

      The problem is of course that the name is only valid in a thin context, i.e who have the rights to a patent if two inventors file for the same patent. In a first-to-file then all the patent office has to do is to look at the filing date of each patent. In the old first-to-invent either party would argue that they had invented the thing first. And in a very quick analysis of the two worlds, of course first-to-invent sounds the more morally and ethically correct thing to do, however the practice of those seeking patents have shown that to be a fallacy...

      In both cases prior art would never have been evaluated by the patent office when deciding who has the right to the patent, prior art is only used to declare a patent as invalid. That is why the notion of prior art is not included in either of the "names".

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      • #63
        Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
        But what would the tin-foil hat crowd do with their free time if that happened?
        The collective brain is clever, but not intelligent

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Nevertime View Post
          If anything now we have the web many people are more aware of the factual inaccuracies that was always there in all media.
          It makes me feel patronizing to have to have to say that the internet has not done a single damned thing to create an informed populace, just ask Shirley Sherrod.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
            It makes me feel patronizing to have to have to say that the internet has not done a single damned thing to create an informed populace, just ask Shirley Sherrod.
            Of course there is misinformation and misinformed people online that's what this whole convo has been about. But the idea that the internet hasn't been a fantastic source of information for people who can use it properly is frankly retarded. Do you think people were better informed before the internet? Don't worry your not patronizing your just embarrassing.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Nevertime View Post
              Of course there is misinformation and misinformed people online that's what this whole convo has been about. But the idea that the internet hasn't been a fantastic source of information for people who can use it properly is frankly retarded. Do you think people were better informed before the internet? Don't worry your not patronizing your just embarrassing.
              You need just need to read this: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apostrophe
              That's education in a box.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Azpegath View Post
                You need just need to read this: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apostrophe
                That's education in a box.
                bring on the grammar snobs :P

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Nevertime View Post
                  But the idea that the internet hasn't been a fantastic source of information for people who can use it properly is frankly retarded. Do you think people were better informed before the internet? Don't worry your not patronizing your just embarrassing.
                  +1000 internets.

                  The word wide web is a medium, not a fscking place to get info from.

                  All traditional ways of information, like Science magazine, newspapers; they are all online too. It's what source of information you look at.

                  Thinking of the internet as a source is just as stupid as classiying paper as a source, or sound >.<

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                    +1000 internets.

                    The word wide web is a medium, not a fscking place to get info from.

                    All traditional ways of information, like Science magazine, newspapers; they are all online too. It's what source of information you look at.

                    Thinking of the internet as a source is just as stupid as classiying paper as a source, or sound >.<
                    Are you arguing semantics? I don't see your point. I've already stated that its how you source your information from all the mediums available. It sounds like we're in agreement.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Nevertime View Post
                      Do you think people were better informed before the internet?
                      Yes, the internet has made quality investigative journalism like that which led to Woodward and Burnstein's Watergate articles next to impossible as there is no funding for it.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                        Yes, the internet has made quality investigative journalism like that which led to Woodward and Burnstein's Watergate articles next to impossible as there is no funding for it.
                        Information covers a much broader scope than what's traditionally covered by investigative journalism (which although is in decline is still very present in the uk). Information covers any area you wish to study or follow. Remember when you had to get your dose of linux news in a monthly magazine?

                        Politics and current events are covered now at a speed and quantity that eclipse the past. A decline in investigative journalism is counterbalanced with something that's not the same but does mean your aware as ever (quite possibly more so) of the corruption that grips the world. I understand america is politicly a little messed up with groups like the tea party showing how ignorant people can be but I would suggest they're people who don't want to fact check what their spoon fed. For people who seek it, access to news isn't largely restricted to a limited number of media mogul's any more. As long as you have the ability to identify reliable sources and cross reference effectively you don't have to take the word of any journalist. You can often quickly be able to look into aspects their claim yourself. How often have you, for example, been watching a documentary on misc troubles in a far off country and popped onto Google to get further information for yourself mid show? The internet empowers you if you use it.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Nevertime View Post
                          Are you arguing semantics? I don't see your point. I've already stated that its how you source your information from all the mediums available. It sounds like we're in agreement.
                          No, I'm totaly agreeing with you and thereby providing you with 1000 internets as a reward

                          I was bashing that which you were arguing against

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by asdx
                            So is the S3TC patent invalid now or what?
                            Haven't seen anything to indicate it is indeed invalid...the USPTO can move very very slowly on making that sort of decision

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