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  • #76
    @marek I don't know why you think they don't understand those points... from what I gather they do understand this and its part of the reason the port hasn't happened.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
      LOL. This from the Haiku guy. Does it seem to anyone else that a lot of trolls have popped up on Phoronix over the last few weeks, or is it just me?
      yeah there are alot of pro linux screw everything else trolls here at phronix.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
        Hold your horses, Mr. BeOS-emulator who now also wants to borrow Gallium and is already borrowing deprecated technologies like Mesa. Oh, and a lot of deprecated GNU toolchain (GCC, command-line tools).

        Here's an idea: Rename Haiku to GNU/BeOS and you have a good description of this "innovative" OS.
        Wow, how original, the original BEOS was built on gcc 2.9. . Haiku is BEOS compatable and reimplements the beapi.

        Again your assumptions are inccorect.

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        • #79
          wow mesa was developed as a open source renderer for Opengl 1.0



          find linux on this page.

          http://www.mesa3d.org/

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          • #80
            Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
            LOL. This from the Haiku guy. Does it seem to anyone else that a lot of trolls have popped up on Phoronix over the last few weeks, or is it just me?
            I know he is an obvious anti-linux troll. He has been spouting endless lies regarding Linux over at Haiku's official forums aswell. But as a huge Haiku fan, PLEASE don't let this moron cloud your views on Haiku. Sadly his comments manages to drag Haiku in the mud with them.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by XorEaxEax View Post
              I know he is an obvious anti-linux troll. He has been spouting endless lies regarding Linux over at Haiku's official forums aswell. But as a huge Haiku fan, PLEASE don't let this moron cloud your views on Haiku. Sadly his comments manages to drag Haiku in the mud with them.
              Naw, I actually think Haiku is interesting, although not really ready for general use yet. I just find it ironic that he's complaining about how linux was designed to be a copy of a proprietary OS and therefore must suck, while simultaneously talking about how awesome Haiku is which was also designed to be a clone and piggy backing off a lot of the same software that linux uses.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by cb88 View Post
                @marek I don't know why you think they don't understand those points... from what I gather they do understand this and its part of the reason the port hasn't happened.
                Alright. I stand corrected.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                  Naw, I actually think Haiku is interesting, although not really ready for general use yet. I just find it ironic that he's complaining about how linux was designed to be a copy of a proprietary OS and therefore must suck, while simultaneously talking about how awesome Haiku is which was also designed to be a clone and piggy backing off a lot of the same software that linux uses.
                  The difference is that linux is a big gaint mess of knotted apis and abis and kernels and drivers window managers IDe etc etc etc with a massive landscape of incompatability. In fact it has become exactly what Tenebaum predicted it would in fact become.

                  Kind of funny how he called it nearly 20 years ago. Not to mention the constant breakage due to the monolithic design of the kernel.

                  that aside Ubuntu makes steady progress. I wouldn't really call most linux distrobutions ready for primetime then I would the current state of haiku. Ubuntu,redhat and other quality distrobutions being the exception. Enterprise definately being primaetime ready but those deployments are usually put on tons of hardware clones and they are tweaked and optimized, not for the home desktop users at all.

                  Linux users can't seem to getover their own feeling of self worth

                  Its like the Us version china in many fields right now

                  china ranks #1 in math/science and a few other fields.

                  the USA ranks 35th

                  but our self esteem is through the roof.

                  Linux suffers the same problem.

                  your last on the list, but you feel like winners.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
                    The difference is that linux is a big gaint mess of
                    * plonk *

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
                      Its like the Us version china in many fields right now

                      china ranks #1 in math/science and a few other fields.

                      the USA ranks 35th

                      but our self esteem is through the roof.

                      Linux suffers the same problem.

                      your last on the list, but you feel like winners.
                      I think you'll find it you whos displaying a very tribal attatue here. The only trolling on this thread I remeber from any linux fanboy was one of the first commenters.

                      You seem to be determind to dismise all the hard work of the countless devs that have contrabuted to gnu/linux. Why? Because your in the haiku tribe? Because somehow you think the only gnu coders who are worth anything and are able to innovate happened to be in your tribe?

                      Sure linux can be improved and it is. But it works well for me and all my computer use. I'm not running one of the big distros at the moment and i have no problems.

                      Haiku and linux don't have the same goals. Its not a war, though you seem to insist on portraying it that way. Even asuming Haiku has great success (which i hope it has) Haiku may never have anything like the range of customisation that linux has. They have diffrent approaches and that gives diffrent pros and cons.

                      There are clear benifts to having competition between elements such as the gui. With out the gnome vs kde conflict i doubt we'd have anything on the level of the latest kde.

                      Nobody here is doubting the abilitys of haiku devs. Its you who seem to think haiku devs are simply in a diffrent league to everyone else. That is just tribal arrogance. Your problem seems to be like this US vs china notion. We're not at war, we can work together to make a better world........ not that I'm from either country.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
                        Not to mention the constant breakage due to the monolithic design of the kernel.
                        The linux kernel is a hybrid design, as are all other modern kernels that have a widespread popularity. The only exceptions are a few real-time OS's that have gone to a micro-kernel since it is easier to guarantee RT requirements with them.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by marek View Post
                          Haiku developers don't get one thing: In order to get fine hardware support, they need to port these components:
                          - Linux kernel DRM (direct rendering manager)
                          - Mesa & Gallium3D
                          - some drivers need libdrm

                          Gallium3D hardware drivers are currently dependent on kernel DRM (as are any other Mesa drivers which need KMS) and I think Haiku developers have no chances to get hardware acceleration without it. They have to port everything.

                          And then they would probably need a full-time developer to maintain that beast.
                          Originally posted by cb88 View Post
                          @marek I don't know why you think they don't understand those points... from what I gather they do understand this and its part of the reason the port hasn't happened.
                          Originally posted by marek View Post
                          Alright. I stand corrected.
                          No, you have not been corrected actually, you're right in 90% + of your first points marek.

                          it is the Haiku advocates/devs that are way off base as regards their bounty costs and current reasoning when people say things like "Gallium3D bounty needs a target of US$ 7.000,00 at least or no one will take a huge task like this. Remember"

                          and "I did not know that even AROS gallium port is surpassing Haiku..."

                          http://haikuware.com/bounties/gallium
                          Status: Open
                          Target: $2000 Reached! | Balance
                          Developer: Not assigned
                          Expiry: March 15th, 2011

                          and yet in that same post http://haikuware.com/20100824525/blender-on-haiku

                          he states that "Krzysztof "Deadwood" Smiechowicz from AROS gallium fame could give a hand."

                          you may have seen Deadwood report a potential mesa/AROS bug on the mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org list the other day, but it got no real feedback so far,that's a shame, and their AROS bounty stood at
                          http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/33

                          "Gallium3D based Software/Hardware 3D
                          Donations:
                          $1082.00

                          Status:
                          Completed
                          Developer:
                          Krzysztof Śmiechowicz
                          "
                          and Deadwood was going to do it anyway , the bounty was just a bonus for him

                          put simply currently the Haiku people , both dev's and advocates (are there even any old school BEOS people in that group now! it seem's not)seem very confused about how , who and what relationships Genesi/Efika,Linux, power2people bounty's, AROS and MorthOS etc share , or how they Haiku could benefit from new and varied collaborations with these old school people/org's can help them, and even get free/subsidised ARM and related hardware donations, and id have to spell it out to the likes of Thatguy

                          put simply even Krzysztof/Deadwood's current up to date mesa gallium AROS style hidds port is already there and in a form more suitable for Haiku adaptation than the current Linux base and they could do a lot worse than have collaborate on a large scale for many benefits for all fringe OS for all the up and coming ARM platforms etc...

                          its not an ether/or world any more unless you want to waste far more time and effort and have non existent MS ARM look like the better option worth waiting for and make the mass vertical profits in 5-10 years from now.

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                          • #88
                            oops fat fingers/typo's , that's http://www.morphos-team.net/

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
                              wow mesa was developed as a open source renderer for Opengl 1.0

                              find linux on this page.

                              http://www.mesa3d.org/
                              bzzzz wrong again, you where never there or even read the source code of the original 1.0 beta February 1995 Initial release back when it was new and fresh i take it !

                              and funnily enough you're very link takes you to the correct and historically accurate information too

                              http://www.mesa3d.org/thanks.html
                              "Acknowledgments

                              The following individuals and groups are to be acknowledged for their contributions to Mesa over the years. This list is far from complete and somewhat dated, unfortunately.

                              Early Mesa development was done while Brian was part of the SSEC Visualization Project at the University of Wisconsin. He'd like to thank Bill Hibbard for letting him work on Mesa as part of that project. "

                              http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~billh/vis.html
                              Mesa

                              You may also be interested in Mesa, which was originally developed by Brian Paul while with the SSEC Visualization Project. Mesa is a 3-D graphics library with an API which is very similar to that of OpenGL.*

                              To the extent that Mesa utilizes the OpenGL command syntax or state machine, it is being used with authorization from Silicon Graphics, Inc. However, the author makes no claim that Mesa is in any way a compatible replacement for OpenGL or associated with Silicon Graphics, Inc. Those who want a licensed implementaion of OpenGL should contact a licensed vendor. This software is distributed under the terms of the GNU Library General Public License, see the LICENSE file for details.

                              * OpenGL(R) is a registered trademark of Silicon Graphics, Inc."

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by XorEaxEax View Post
                                I know he is an obvious anti-linux troll. He has been spouting endless lies regarding Linux over at Haiku's official forums aswell. But as a huge Haiku fan, PLEASE don't let this moron cloud your views on Haiku. Sadly his comments manages to drag Haiku in the mud with them.
                                LOL its not a problem XorEaxEax, some of us know and where actually there even before Beos became real never mind Haiku, and many advocated many a developer from Amiga,AROS, Linux and other fringe OS's helped shape the app BEOS landscape such as Dave Haynie

                                http://www.begroovy.com/wordpress/?p=230

                                i do wish far more active linux,fringe OS of your choice collaboration took place today though, it wont be long before the MS ARM OS hype machine takes off, dont underestimate that sheeple factor ether, make it work now for you Now or pay the price later.

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