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  • Oh I've just read the heading on Slashdot and that actually made me giggle
    DX11 Coming To Linux (But Not XP)
    Though that already applied with DX10... And the excuse they gave back then was pretty laughable when you consider Wine: their hundreds of full-time self-proclaimed software engineers couldn't achieve with 2 versions of the company's own products what a handful of enthusiasts managed to do on their spare-time, and on completely different OS, no less.

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    • Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
      Ever given thought to how counter-productive that actually is?
      I already owned 95% of those games before switching to Linux (and have gotten the other 5% for free). Am I supposed to throw them away?

      Not playing games that are not made for Linux does nothing to be "productive", it simply leaves you without games. I've written letters to the companies that make the games I like and spent many hours advocating Linux to anyone who will listen, so don't accuse me of being counter-productive as you don't know me.

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      • Originally posted by 3vi1 View Post
        I already owned 95% of those games before switching to Linux (and have gotten the other 5% for free). Am I supposed to throw them away?

        Not playing games that are not made for Linux does nothing to be "productive", it simply leaves you without games. I've written letters to the companies that make the games I like and spent many hours advocating Linux to anyone who will listen, so don't accuse me of being counter-productive as you don't know me.
        Why was DosBox invented, in the first place? Many of 199x-2003 titles dont run on NT6. I dont think your games have much time left to be playable anyway.

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        • Originally posted by d4ddi0 View Post
          Windows dominance really comes down to only two things:

          Inertia.
          Most people hate and fear computers. They need them though. The last thing they want is a new computer that is different from their old computer, which they hate, but which they have learned to live with.

          OEM Exclusive distribution.
          Most folk just take what they are given, and 95% of the time that is windows.
          1) Its widely accepted that habbits control most of "normal" people life, not conciousness. Fight Club and stuff.

          2) Straight from the first version, MS-DOS was preinstalled. Even it was a straight rip-off (chinese walling) from CP/M. Exactly what WINE does now. Poor Garry..

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          • Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
            Some people here are shortsighted and stupid.
            You'll do better if you'd not resort to ad-hominem arguments.

            Now, it is one of the sillier remarks made on here. Linux gamer adoption is being hampered by some of these things. Gaming is important, yes- but if you think that the lump-sum value of all the computing market is in Gaming or that it's the most important thing (which is basically what you just said...), you're mistaken.

            Embedded systems is the biggest space for anything- outstripping everything else in numbers of units and money involved. Guess which OSes dominate?

            The next biggest space is business systems and servers. The business desktops are a mix right at the moment and are less on the Windows side than many would have you believe- they're in dominance; but not by the margins claimed by anyone these days.

            The next biggest space is consumer desktop machines. Yes, Windows dominates in this space; but gaming as a percentage of the usage of this isn't the big deal you and several others have made of it.

            Gaming, as a whole in that space, right at the moment, is mostly dominated by things like Farmville (heh...) which, I can soundly attest to being right there on Linux as my wife doesn't run Windows on her machine and she's playing that silly game about 2-3 nights a week. The rest of gaming in this space are comprised of the "hardcore" crowd mostly- which includes most of the nutballs (myself included in that disparaging remark... ) in this thread. However, as a percentage of the market segment we're talking about, everyone in this crowd don't compare to the dollars in the smaller segments below this one- we're a pittance these days compared to mobile devices or supercomputing using GPUs.

            Right now, Windows is in place because of Microsoft's past business relationships, good marketing in spite of oftentimes poor quality products, ignorance, and inertia. In regards to remarks that gaming is what is keeping Windows in place...heh... How is it that 1-5% of the total marketspace is what's keeping Windows entrenched in place.

            It is proper to say that, for some, Gaming is what is keeping a Windows install around or causing hesitation to dive in where Linux is concerned. It is NOT proper to say that Gaming is the cause of it all or that the lack of D3D support is the cause for no Linux gaming. One is supportable. The other is not. Making unsupportable statements is "silly", hence the calling it out as such.

            If you want to debate this, by all means, bring it on. Do keep in mind, though, I don't operate off of feelings when it comes to these sorts of things- you'd best have some facts to back your suppositions.

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            • Originally posted by 3vi1 View Post
              I already owned 95% of those games before switching to Linux (and have gotten the other 5% for free). Am I supposed to throw them away?
              If you got the other 5% for free- were they freeware? If not, you probably ought to as you're obtaining things without permission from the rights holder. That's a strict no-no, even from the FOSS community's perspective.

              Not playing games that are not made for Linux does nothing to be "productive", it simply leaves you without games. I've written letters to the companies that make the games I like and spent many hours advocating Linux to anyone who will listen, so don't accuse me of being counter-productive as you don't know me.
              No, you probably shouldn't throw them away or give them away (I've done that on a few occasions- but there's a LOT of pre-nothing-but-Linux stuff I've got that just sits on a shelf collecting dust in my case.) but in the same vein, trying to promote WINE as THE answer for things or that it's going to magically fix all your problems getting games going on Linux, it's still counter productive. And, no I didn't accuse YOU of being counter productive- just that insisting on WINE being the answer was. If you make the further leap to that conclusion- it's your own lookout.

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              • Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                -Sims 3; Ambitions expension pack #799707070867 (OK, you may hate it, but still AAA selling);
                Sims is still Direct3D as it uses Cider for Mac support.

                http://www.transgaming.com/business/cider

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                • Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                  If you got the other 5% for free- were they freeware? If not, you probably ought to as you're obtaining things without permission from the rights holder. That's a strict no-no, even from the FOSS community's perspective.
                  .
                  They could have been a gift. There is no need to accuse without having enough information.

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                  • WINE allowed me to move to linux full-time, (GuildWars, TF2,SC1 + a few others), I havent booted windows in a month! And the last time was to fix my old NTFS partitions that I cant migrate to ex3/4 or xfs due to not having enough room <ramble>.

                    But at the same time I try and buy/support linux games if i can (broke out of work 20 something).

                    Once you get the market/mindshare, the publishers will come, and unless nVidia/ATI implement this D3D in there binary drivers (as im assuming thats what game devs will target for the most part) then OGL it will be!

                    What keeps windows at #1 are the kinda people who dont know what an OS is, let alone how to reinstall one!

                    Also stuff like crappy windows only specialist applications (Eg Government stuff where everything has to be tracked and audited [been spending a lot of time at the JSA offices]) using crappy windows only backends!

                    These are also the kind of places that are stuck at windows XP/IE6 and cant/wont move.

                    The real thing is to look forward, when these people finally upgrade, going to the next version of windows would be just as disruptive as changing to linux, and thats where the marketshare can creep in!

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                    • Originally posted by stikonas View Post
                      They could have been a gift. There is no need to accuse without having enough information.
                      Fair enough...and if so, I apologize for making the connotation there.

                      Sadly, there's enough that it'd be truth, even in these forums, that I was led to go down that path.

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                      • Originally posted by Xanbreon View Post
                        Also stuff like crappy windows only specialist applications (Eg Government stuff where everything has to be tracked and audited [been spending a lot of time at the JSA offices]) using crappy windows only backends!
                        That's the main reason Windows is still entrenched along with a few other non "specialist" examples thereof. Tax software is a good example of stuff not fully up with the times (YOU try doing the taxes for a business, a horse farm, and a household with that web stuff... :P It's a sore subject, but one of the only reasons I've got an XP install on a VirtualBox session- there is no credible Tax preparation solution- I'd love to have something better there...)

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                        • Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                          (YOU try doing the taxes for a business, a horse farm, and a household with that web stuff... :P It's a sore subject, but one of the only reasons I've got an XP install on a VirtualBox session- there is no credible Tax preparation solution- I'd love to have something better there...)
                          And before anyone comments, YES, I know I said it's counter-productive and all. I still hold that it is- and if it weren't next to impossible to do the taxes any other way, I'd do without it because it IS a vote for more Windows software. But, much like trying to get a powerful high-end laptop with Linux is impossible, I'm kind of trapped on that score.

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                          • Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                            [...]

                            Right now, Windows is in place because of Microsoft's past business relationships, good marketing in spite of oftentimes poor quality products, ignorance, and inertia. In regards to remarks that gaming is what is keeping Windows in place...heh... How is it that 1-5% of the total marketspace is what's keeping Windows entrenched in place.

                            It is proper to say that, for some, Gaming is what is keeping a Windows install around or causing hesitation to dive in where Linux is concerned. It is NOT proper to say that Gaming is the cause of it all or that the lack of D3D support is the cause for no Linux gaming. One is supportable. The other is not.
                            There probably should be some positive reasons to add to the first paragraph to explain Microsoft's market dominance, but yes, nowadays consumer inertia probably isn't too far off. The second paragraph quoted is pure logic, people, just think for a moment that what applies to you or the few people you know doesn't apply to the whole world. And look around, for god's sake; computers are literally everywhere performing an infinite number of tasks, quite often accompanied by an individual who operates them in exchange of a salary. It's ridiculous to think that, of all things, computer gaming is the most important activity computers are used for. Because that's the assumption you make if you think it's games what keep Windows dominance over the alternatives.


                            Originally posted by Svartalf
                            If you want to debate this, by all means, bring it on. Do keep in mind, though, I don't operate off of feelings when it comes to these sorts of things- you'd best have some facts to back your suppositions.
                            Excellent! I don't do them feelings either. I have some problems with this paragraph of yours:

                            Originally posted by Svartalf
                            It's a mindshare issue where the studios have been led to believe that we don't even rate 1% of the marketspace. Even MS doesn't believe that line, mind- they think it's 11-12% at this time according to stuff that got leaked out and confirmed BY MS of late. According to them, we have more total market share than Apple does right now.
                            I'd like to know where I could find the sources for this. It must've escaped my radar.

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                            • Can we please get this thread back on topic and take the epic troll battles elsewhere for a while? I think the topic is very interesting and would love to see feedback from people actually able to do something with the code.

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                              • Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                                That's the main reason Windows is still entrenched along with a few other non "specialist" examples thereof. Tax software is a good example of stuff not fully up with the times (YOU try doing the taxes for a business, a horse farm, and a household with that web stuff... :P It's a sore subject, but one of the only reasons I've got an XP install on a VirtualBox session- there is no credible Tax preparation solution- I'd love to have something better there...)
                                I keep a windowsXP vm around for stuff that doesnt need fast grathics, and i cant find something equivalent for linux and i cant be arsed to make work in WINE.

                                At the moment, all its used for it running random junk.

                                Everytime I go back to Windows I hate how it chugs at times on hardware where linux flys! (Its not like my stuff is old, Q6600@2.4ghz, 8gig DDR2@800mhz, 80gig velociraptor, 2*500gig for data, and a GTX260core BE).

                                I also spent yesterday getting a Vista box upto SP2 from SP0, it was a slowish laptop with a very slow HDD, took about 4h to run the 102meg thing from MS to fix windows update, then about 2h for each of the service packs, if it had been linux, I would have just had to sudo aptitude update (or equiv) and if something wasnt working, pull down a package manually and install it, 1-2h max if it was really out of date.

                                Package management is a killer feature for linux, why go searching for stuff for windows when pretty much everything you need is a click (or line of text in a terminal) away! And you dont have to have 5+ random update services slowing the machine down to keep it all upto date

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