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    Phoronix: Gallium3D Gets A New Driver

    Last month we were excited over the release of a OpenVG state tracker and OpenGL ES 1.1/2.0 state trackers for Gallium3D along with confirmation that OpenCL and OpenGL 3.1 state trackers are under development. Neither of these new state trackers have yet to arrive, but just committed to the Mesa repository is a new Gallium3D driver...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzM0Nw

  • #2
    Neither of these new state trackers have yet to arrive,
    Don't you mean "both of these drivers have yet to arrive"?
    The double negative makes it sound as if they're already working, fully functional and merged :P

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JeanPaul145 View Post
      Don't you mean "both of these drivers have yet to arrive"?
      The double negative makes it sound as if they're already working, fully functional and merged :P
      OT but:

      Where do you see the double negative? "Both" would imply "one AND the other". ""Neither" implies "one OR the other" .

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      • #4
        also OT:
        "yet" means (afaik) that it has not happened yet. something has to happen in the future. i think this is what the second negative is, apart from "neither". I (not-native english speaker, as you can see) also have some problems with understanding some sentences.

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        • #5
          Yeah I also thought that sentence sounds pretty weird, like they'd already be around. AFAIK you only use neither in a negating/negative sentence?
          I'd have put it this way: "Neither of these new state trackers has arrived yet."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bugmenot View Post
            also OT:
            "yet" means (afaik) that it has not happened yet. something has to happen in the future. i think this is what the second negative is, apart from "neither". I (not-native english speaker, as you can see) also have some problems with understanding some sentences.
            The "yet" was indeed what I see as the second negative.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JeanPaul145 View Post
              The "yet" was indeed what I see as the second negative.
              So if someone was to say,

              "I haven't seen a yeti yet." You would consider that a double negative?

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              • #8
                I think you guys are getting hung up on the structure and not necessarily a double negative.

                "Neither of these new state trackers have yet to arrive"

                would have read better as such

                "Neither of these new state trackers have arrived yet"

                It's more an issue of confusing tense then a double negative.
                Last edited by deanjo; 06-24-2009, 10:10 AM.

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                • #9
                  sweet no comment about the article itself xD
                  is this the grammarboard?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pfanne View Post
                    sweet no comment about the article itself xD
                    is this the grammarboard?
                    Sometimes, the grammar is more interesting then "No new news" articles.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                      So if someone was to say,

                      "I haven't seen a yeti yet." You would consider that a double negative?
                      Ok, point taken. It was a poor choice of words.
                      However, it still was a weird sentence

                      Originally posted by Pfanne View Post
                      sweet no comment about the article itself xD
                      is this the grammarboard?
                      The reason I even mentioned it was because I do think of Phoronix media as a professional news (among other things) organization.
                      Last edited by JeanPaul145; 06-24-2009, 02:59 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                        I think you guys are getting hung up on the structure and not necessarily a double negative.

                        "Neither of these new state trackers have yet to arrive"

                        would have read better as such

                        "Neither of these new state trackers have arrived yet"

                        It's more an issue of confusing tense then a double negative.
                        I think it's both, sort of. Tense is an issue, but the confusing part is that one of the negatives isn't literally present. The phrase "have yet to <present-tense verb>" substitutes for "haven't yet <past-tense verb>". It doesn't literally contain a negative, but the phrase taken as a whole (idiomatically) acts as a negative. For example, the following two phrases mean the same thing:

                        "I haven't yet tried Fedora 11"
                        "I have yet to try Fedora 11"

                        So it's a double negative whose presence was probably influenced by the choice of tense.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ex-Cyber View Post
                          I think it's both, sort of. Tense is an issue, but the confusing part is that one of the negatives isn't literally present. The phrase "have yet to <present-tense verb>" substitutes for "haven't yet <past-tense verb>". It doesn't literally contain a negative, but the phrase taken as a whole (idiomatically) acts as a negative. For example, the following two phrases mean the same thing:

                          "I haven't yet tried Fedora 11"
                          "I have yet to try Fedora 11"

                          So it's a double negative whose presence was probably influenced by the choice of tense.
                          That is *exactly* what I originally meant. Thanks

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                          • #14
                            these sort of articles are so constipated

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