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  • Gallium3D-Capable Mesa 7.5 Release This Week!

    Phoronix: Gallium3D-Capable Mesa 7.5 Release This Week!

    It was just three months ago that Mesa 7.3 was released and then work on stabilizing this graphics stack to form Mesa 7.4 began. When the development began on Mesa 7.5, the Gallium3D architecture was merged to master...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzE4OQ

  • #2
    All that work into developing Mesa/Gallium for basically nothing .. NONE of the binary drivers (which everyone uses) support it so all that good work goes to waste.

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    • #3
      Let's not feed the troll.

      Anyways, I'm quite excited for this release. Gallium3D is probably the one element missing for moving ATI and Intel OSS drivers to performance parity. I wonder if Ubuntu will have it for the fall release? Fedora definitely will.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bugmenot View Post
        NONE of the binary drivers (which everyone uses)
        I wouldn't say that... At least with any ATI card unless you're willing to sacrifice video playback for 3d (I'm trying to think of a Linux app I use that has 3d..?) then you're running open source drivers. If you have Intel you're running open source drivers. And the Nouveau drivers are progressing to the point where even nvidia users won't be left out in the cold much longer.

        Plus, is there any reason the closed source drivers can't switch to this eventually?

        On a completely different topic, what is the status of the Gallium 3d Cell driver? A PS3 would make a great MythTV frontend if someone can get a stable driver with video acceleration.

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        • #5
          So what use a HD 4890 has, if you can only use it to watch movie? Spending $400 bucks for what even an integrated graphics could do? You are spending money to buy a fantasy, and maybe that's people would do anyway.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by FunkyRider View Post
            So what use a HD 4890 has, if you can only use it to watch movie? Spending $400 bucks for what even an integrated graphics could do? You are spending money to buy a fantasy, and maybe that's people would do anyway.
            So, you just go and buy a GeForce GTX 295, which you can use for gaming + watching movies with hardware acceleration, thanx to nvidia's drivers.

            Yes, they are closed source. I don't give a fuck. They work.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FunkyRider View Post
              So what use a HD 4890 has, if you can only use it to watch movie? Spending $400 bucks for what even an integrated graphics could do? You are spending money to buy a fantasy, and maybe that's people would do anyway.
              Er, no, I watch movies on an HD 4850 then reboot to Windows where I can play better games anyway.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bugmenot View Post
                All that work into developing Mesa/Gallium for basically nothing .. NONE of the binary drivers (which everyone uses) support it so all that good work goes to waste.
                I don't think exposing Gallium3D as a general purpose API is as important as being able to build all the different acceleration APIs which *are* exposed by binary drivers on a common, solid foundation.

                Most of the discussion around Gallium3D API is related to using it for things like compute, 2D and video acceleration, ie functions "inside" a binary driver package

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                • #9
                  Interesting, I expected to see 7.5 little later but with interesting stuff. If 7.5 will come so soon, I guess we have to wait for 7.7 to see radeon-rewrite merged and new openchrome 3D stack.

                  What about some special gift like r6xx/r7xx 3D driver for 7.7?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by russell_h View Post
                    Er, no, I watch movies on an HD 4850 then reboot to Windows where I can play better games anyway.
                    I dumped my 4850 2 weeks ago because even watching a movie in Linux is a painful experience.

                    Want resize the video window? You might have to try again / 3-2 times if it gives you a pure white window.

                    Full screen video locks up your system when play to the end? You might have to press the little button named "RESET" on your case.

                    Why are running people in the movie been split into two halves? That's anti V-Sync in effect and they are not interested to get it fixed.


                    In conclusion, even trying to enjoy a movie is not possible using fglrx.

                    I might be able to just pop back my X850XT and use Overlay video output so at least it V-Syncs right.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Zajec View Post
                      Interesting, I expected to see 7.5 little later but with interesting stuff. If 7.5 will come so soon, I guess we have to wait for 7.7 to see radeon-rewrite merged and new openchrome 3D stack.

                      What about some special gift like r6xx/r7xx 3D driver for 7.7?
                      Yes, most likely they want to branch ASAP before merging the new modules. That's a good plan.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bugmenot View Post
                        All that work into developing Mesa/Gallium for basically nothing .. NONE of the binary drivers (which everyone uses) support it so all that good work goes to waste.
                        I don't give a crap about binary drivers - happy intel user. You don't like it? Better start coding the features you want or go use something else.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FunkyRider View Post
                          I dumped my 4850 2 weeks ago because even watching a movie in Linux is a painful experience.
                          I installed Ubuntu Jaunty beta and it is quite nice.

                          Well, its not perfect (maximizing HD videos or Firefox takes some time with compiz activated), but at least no flickering or tearing or split movies.

                          My card is a 3870.

                          I can say after 1,5 years of owning the card, I see light at the end of the tunnel! And it seems it is not a train! :-)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Eragon View Post
                            Yes, they are closed source. I don't give a fuck. They work.
                            The people that own GeForce 4XXX devices used to say the same thing.

                            Funny...they care about FOSS drivers quite a bit now.

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                            • #15
                              What to think about it ? good ? bad ?

                              Re: [Mesa3d-dev] Mesa 7.5 plans
                              From: Brian Paul <brianp@vm...> - 2009-04-10 22:22
                              It looks I'll be postponing the 7.5 release until next week...

                              -Brian
                              Hope they will ship r300-gallium with it ! It was postponed but, as the release will happen next week, hope it will be OK for inclusion.

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