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    Phoronix: NVIDIA Loses Huge GPU Order Due To Linux Blob

    NVIDIA has lost an order of at least ten million graphics cards because their GeForce/Quadro driver is closed-source...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTEyNTE

  • #2
    Great!

    As an owner of a Nvidia card, I think this is great!

    Hopefully this will be an eye opener for Nvidia.
    Hopefully this will get stock holders to bitch at the management about stupid business decisions.

    Hopefully AMD now puts more developers and more focus on their open source graphics device driver.
    Hopefully we get more contributers to the open source AMD device driver from China, maybe the Chinese government and/or schools.

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    • #3
      does this mean the lemote YeeLoong 8133 is actually going to ship sometime soon?

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      • #4
        If this is indeed true and confirmed, that's awesome.

        Ten million graphics cards? I guess they don't do anything small in communist China...

        Also it's absolutely awesome that they designed their own CPU and will be using the AMD open drivers on Linux/Xorg. That's a gigantic boost in our userbase that should make everyone generally more aware of the open source graphics drivers (but especially in the Far East).

        I wonder if they implemented some kind of spyware into the hardware of their MIPS chips China may be pro open-source, but they're definitely not pro-freedom and are very tough on people who criticize their government, whether or not they intend to act against the government or just whine and complain.

        Anyway, fuck you, Nvidia. I own graphics parts from all three vendors (all the mentioned chips are in operational systems somewhere within my immediate family's use):
        • Intel 945GM in laptop
        • Intel 965GM in laptop
        • Intel 3770K Ivy Bridge in desktop
        • Intel 3820QM Ivy Bridge in laptop
        • AMD Radeon HD5970 in desktop
        • AMD Radeon HD7970 in desktop
        • Nvidia GeForce 9800GT in desktop
        • Nvidia NVS 5400M in laptop

        Out of all those parts, the best for running Linux with an untainted kernel are the two Ivy Bridge CPUs and the Radeon HD5970. Even with a tainted kernel the Nvidia binary runs like crap for me; the 2d rendering performance is awful, no KMS, inordinate maintenance burden when upgrading system, and it chews through a lot of power. That's not to say I prefer AMD fglrx over it, though

        I think I'm going to include the phrase "fuck you, Nvidia" in every single post I write on Phoronix from now on.

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        • #5
          Ha-ha, nVIDIA deserved that.

          What a nice lesson for nvidia nuts. EPIC FAIL for nvidia -> EPIC WIN for AMD. Poor nvidia, they have to publish yet another useless press-release again, aren't they?

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          • #6
            Not only could nvidia wake up.
            This could make AMD put more devs onto the OSS driver and finally get it on par with the blob!

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            • #7
              Very interesting news,

              Thank you!

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              • #8
                Nearly a half billion dollars in AMD cards to run on Linux. That's going to buy and attract a lot of love for AMD open-source. I can't wait for this deal to kick off so that I may see the hail storm of improvements from AMD and the community.

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                • #9
                  I don't know if it's related but recently there were some patches posted to
                  make radeon usable for Loongson (MIPS) . Coming from some Chinese guys
                  using a lemote.com email address.

                  Anyhow if this is true, surely AMD can use some of that extra revenue to
                  hire a few more full-time developers to make radeon really kick ass.

                  No more excuses! I suggest they start with hiring Marek and Vadim.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                    I don't know if it's related but recently there were some patches posted to
                    make radeon usable for Loongson (MIPS) . Coming from some Chinese guys
                    using a lemote.com email address.
                    Loongson use Radeon IGP at least for 1.5 years.

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                    • #11
                      It's not that big a win if it's a one-time affair. Those ten million GPUs will need support and currently neither AMD nor Nvidia have any dedicated resources for MIPS or ARM.
                      Also, keep in mind this is China we're talking about. Most likely they don't care much about the card, they just want the specs of the GPU so they can make a chinese version. But that's just speculation on my part.

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                      • #12
                        Well for basic 3d radeon oss is ok, but maybe they need to add a dedicated h264 decoder chip in addition.

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                        • #13
                          My God it might finally be time to track down AdBlock for Firefox and put it to use.

                          Where do these ridiculous articles come from?

                          First, the "source" is mostly hearsay and there's no details that could even be confirmed.

                          Second, what kind of a MORON would actually release source code to a Chinese "company"? lol. WhyTF do people think NVIDIA refuses to open any of their tech to begin with? They're not worried about IBM here.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                            It's not that big a win if it's a one-time affair. Those ten million GPUs will need support and currently neither AMD nor Nvidia have any dedicated resources for MIPS or ARM.
                            Also, keep in mind this is China we're talking about. Most likely they don't care much about the card, they just want the specs of the GPU so they can make a chinese version. But that's just speculation on my part.
                            The article was about an order for 10 million hardware units, not just blueprints or specifications.

                            Also, the open drivers are grossly inadequate in terms of providing anything that China would need to create duplicates of AMD GPUs. You still need:

                            1. Fabrication processes that can fab at a competitively small size (only a few foundries in the world have hit 32nm and smaller, and those companies wouldn't give up their secrets for all the tea in China, literally)

                            2. The hardware / IC design blueprints at many different levels of abstraction, with understanding of how it all fits together.... way more complicated than I can even express in words.

                            3. The proprietary IP that isn't disclosed in the open source driver -- a lot of the bits of AMD cards will never be unlocked by the open drivers unless reverse engineered without AMD's consent, because AMD won't publish specs on them. UVD I'm looking at you, but there are others too... VCE, could be others.

                            4. The proprietary software algorithms in fglrx that AMD doesn't want to release due to the potential of giving Nvidia a competitive advantage... while some of the LLVM stuff is pretty hairy and computer science-y in the open drivers, the general point that fglrx is using "secret" micro-optimizations and algorithms which are not being disclosed to the open driver developers is something I highly suspect, despite protestations from Bridgman otherwise. I mean, if this isn't the case, then explain why the open drivers will never even approach the performance of fglrx except on passively cooled / lowest-end cards and APUs. You've released all the "specs" for the hardware that does the 3d rendering, right, so WHAT makes up the performance difference if HiZ, 2D tiling, PCI-E 2.0 and the other obvious gaping-hole missing features don't make up for the difference?

                            I bet China (the government, not any particular corp) could create a GPU about as fast as an Intel 965G integrated chip from ~2008, and that's just going on knowledge that is either publicly available or easily obtainable from high-tech Chinese corporations that cooperate with the government. But I doubt that they have enough information to create something truly competitive with an AMD or Nvidia chip without going to AMD/Nvidia and asking them to produce cards for them, on their (well, TSMC's) foundry process, using their IC designs, not China's.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
                              WHAT makes up the performance difference if HiZ, 2D tiling, PCI-E 2.0 and the other obvious gaping-hole missing features don't make up for the difference?
                              Probably per-application hacks and optimizations.
                              Last edited by RussianNeuroMancer; 06-22-2012, 08:02 PM.

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