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  • #61
    Originally posted by not.sure View Post
    It might be as simple as 'releasing documentation costs money'. Our friends from AMD will probably confirm that it's a lot of work and takes time, a bunch of lawyers and sofware and hardware engineers to write, clean up, review and release documentation.
    The specifications must already exist, it shouldn't cost much to release them. They are effectively APIs to the nVidia hardware, and as Oracle recently found out, you can't have copyright over an API. There is next-to-no cost in releasing these specifications, and as we have seen, billions to be lost by not releasing them.

    Originally posted by not.sure View Post
    Fear to lose "IP" perhaps as well, but that's more like and irrational worry because the nouveau guys will find out the relevant information anyway and document how nvidia GPUs work and evolve.
    They can't lose "IP" since the programming specifications are effectively APIs to the nVidia hardware, and hence can't be copyrighted. No-one can make a chip from the programming specifications, there is simply no actual implementation information contained in them.

    No-one is able to identify any actual, real harm to nVidia in releasing programming specifications.

    Not releasing programming specifications is going to eventually cost nVidia billions.

    Either nVidia management is utterly stupid (unlikely), or there is some other factor involved here ... such as nVidia getting paid handsomely by someone to keep programming specifications a trade secret and thereby make it difficult to write independent drivers. Can you say "anti-trust"?

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    • #62
      This is how you deal with communism

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      • #63
        Originally posted by hal2k1 View Post
        The specifications must already exist, it shouldn't cost much to release them. They are effectively APIs to the nVidia hardware, and as Oracle recently found out, you can't have copyright over an API. There is next-to-no cost in releasing these specifications, and as we have seen, billions to be lost by not releasing them.



        They can't lose "IP" since the programming specifications are effectively APIs to the nVidia hardware, and hence can't be copyrighted. No-one can make a chip from the programming specifications, there is simply no actual implementation information contained in them.

        No-one is able to identify any actual, real harm to nVidia in releasing programming specifications.

        Not releasing programming specifications is going to eventually cost nVidia billions.

        Either nVidia management is utterly stupid (unlikely), or there is some other factor involved here ... such as nVidia getting paid handsomely by someone to keep programming specifications a trade secret and thereby make it difficult to write independent drivers. Can you say "anti-trust"?
        This wild-ass speculation is really quite embarrassing.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by drag View Post
          Your distinction is worthless and reflects your wholly ignorant understand and/or intentional blindness towards the history of communism, marxist, and socialist thought and history.

          This just reflects the desire of most 'communists' or 'socialists' to re-write history and change definitions to keep their illusions and misconceptions about economics and the human condition alive.
          Couldn't agree better. We know what communism is and how it looks. We also know some people want to make communism retro in my country of Poland. Communism is the worst thing that ever happened and it's idiotic by definition.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by johnc View Post
            This wild-ass speculation is really quite embarrassing.
            nVidia should indeed be embarrased.

            How on earth can nVidia possibly be harmed by releasing programming specifications?

            Why wouldn't nVidia be interested in a Linux market worth billions?

            What on earth could nVidia possibly gain by being the single worst company in existance in terms of not releasing information on how to write code to interface with their hardware?

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            • #66
              OK anticommunism smart-people (ignorants), what is your opinion for the zeitgeist movement for example?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by artivision View Post
                I just want to say something about some false rumors against Loongson (mips). The L3C part has 16 cores, each of them has 2*512bit FMAC vectors for Float and another same length unit for Integer, thats bigger than Ivy Bridge and only with 20watt @2ghz. This is 512Gflops DP64bit, or 1Tflop SP64, or 2Tflops SP32, or 4Tops-32 (with Integer). Also has Emulation Instructions in order to accelerate Qemu, and Mips3D Instructions in order to accelerate Software Rasterizers like LLVMpipe. So I don't think that this processor, or another one from the new technologies that are in development, will have an AMD or another GPU, because they don't need one.
                The public specsheets for Lemote's Loongson 3A-based notebook list an AMD RS780E + SB710 embeded chipset, which includes an ATI Radeon HD 3200 IGP. In any case they need hardware to turn framebuffers into signals that can drive a display, so the CPU alone can't replace a graphics card or IGP.

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                • #68
                  That is correct. They use on-board small GPUs for such processors.

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                  • #69
                    Why not create a communism vs capitalism thread instead of spamming this thread with this off-topic stuff? Am I the only one who thinks this is a bit annoying?

                    China isn't even a communistic state, and even if it was, it would still be better to start a separate thread about this.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Fenrin View Post
                      Why not create a communism vs capitalism thread instead of spamming this thread with this off-topic stuff? Am I the only one who thinks this is a bit annoying?
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                      Of course it's annoying. The funny part is; they managed to get into this Q-like discussion even without Q.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by jumico View Post
                        Well it's not pure profit. It still costs them money to produce the gpus.
                        So it's better not to sell products because the production would cost some money?

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                        • #72
                          about communism:

                          "Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order."

                          that has nothing to do with china, they have classes they have as well as formal as also money-wise. But the most important for me is, they have a open work-market so they have unemployed people, in a good communism land they would rather let you come 8hours a day to look to the wall and go home then...

                          They Cuba and maybe some south-american countries are way more a communism, but even there at least in cuba things change to allow more market... to have a few people who are very rich and many people that are extremly poor is not communism, but then maybe no communism ever was there, but on the other hand there was never somewhere a clean capitalism...

                          But thats only as a side note...

                          to the topic some said they want the free drivers for reproducing the hardware, I am no expert but I heared here from experts that opensource drivers or specs about how you programm a hardware dont help you very much to build that hardware, if that would be not that case amd and intel woudl never had released the opensource drivers.

                          what else to say hopefully nvidia get suid for that, the stock corporation law would allow that, because they lost money from their owners...

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                            what else to say hopefully nvidia get suid for that, the stock corporation law would allow that, because they lost money from their owners...
                            Please cite a source for "they lost money".

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by johnc View Post
                              Please cite a source for "they lost money".
                              this article? and the one who it links too. If thats all lies, dont talk to me, I can only comment the press... if they are all lieing ok then I live in a matrix and I stop talking at all..

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                                this article? and the one who it links too. If thats all lies, dont talk to me, I can only comment the press... if they are all lieing ok then I live in a matrix and I stop talking at all..
                                Can't we wait for confirmation from a news source at least slightly more credible than Joe's Blog before we draw any firm conclusions?

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