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  • #31
    Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
    There's way too many anti-capitalists looking at China as "the future"(in a positive way), for China to be capitalist.

    It's still communist.
    No, not really. They have an open market and personal property is a possibility. It's close to being communist, of course, but they performed some changes in their constitution in the 70s.

    Sad thing is, most people don't know what communism is anymore, or why it's so dangerous.
    Communism isn't dangerous. Unless you're American.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by RealNC View Post
      Communism isn't dangerous. Unless you're American.
      you just made me spill my coffee laughing

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      • #33
        Originally posted by asdx
        Fuck you nvidia, you will just keep going down from here, enjoy your way to bankruptcy.
        relax, they currently got the fastest GPU on the market, they got a huge windows user base and believe it or not they got the most feature complete and stable linux driver on the market.......... they will be just fine.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
          Communism isn't dangerous. Unless you're American.
          lol, i didn't expect to laugh so much reading this! honestly i do agree with your comment.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
            Communism isn't dangerous. Unless you're American.
            Communism is dangerous when you reject to be a communist. However, focusing on topic I hope they'll base on Open Source drivers and give a sign to other companies that being Open Source pays off.

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            • #36
              I'll believe this when we see a credible source.

              That is, unless we are to believe AMD did a .5Bn deal and aren't going to make a press release about it?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by drag View Post
                No it's not. Fglrx is easily one of the worst possible drivers you could use on Linux.

                It may look half-way decent when you are running full screen benchmarks, but in terms of actual real world use it's compatibility with applications and desktops is miserable and it's crash prone. Not to also mention that it's miserable to install.
                JockeyKDE can install it and remove it quite reasonably well, I believe, in Kubuntu.

                I personally don't use it because the radeon open source drivers are perfectly fine for use on my Kubuntu (KDE4) desktop. All the composited desktop bling one could possibly well. Poeple who troll these Phoronix forums are quite keen to try to insist that fglrx has better performance (as good as Windows they say), however, and that the radeon open source drivers have still a way to go yet.

                Considering that fglrx is purported to have equivalent performance to the Windows driver, "mediocre linux drivers" fits perfectly for description of the radeon open source drivers, which achieve perhaps only about 75% of that performance.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Xilanaz View Post
                  relax, they currently got the fastest GPU on the market, they got a huge windows user base and believe it or not they got the most feature complete and stable linux driver on the market
                  I don't believe that nVidia does have the fastest GPU.

                  http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/1...back-the-crown
                  "The benchmarks are in for the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition. Starting at $500, AMD's new single-GPU flagship boosts the original 7970's clock speed from 925 MHz to 1 GHz (1050 MHz with Boost). The GHz Edition also sports 3 GB of faster 1500 MHz GDDR5 memory, pushing 288 GB/s as opposed to 264 GB/s. ... With the new Catalyst, Nvidia's GeForce GTX 670 can no longer beat the original Radeon HD 7970, and the GHz Edition outmaneuvers the GeForce GTX 680 in most cases."

                  So hell no. Not by a squillion miles, especially if you happen to be a maker of MIPS64-based processor (loonsong), so that your only viable OS is Linux, and nVidia only have an x86/x86_64 binary blob to offer you.

                  If you do happen to be a maker of MIPS64-based processor, or an OEM with an ARM processor/SoC other than Tegra, the nVidia driver for Linux offering has precisely zero features or stability.
                  Last edited by hal2k1; 06-23-2012, 04:30 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                    Communism is dangerous when you reject to be a communist.
                    Oh, come on. As if western style democracy is an option
                    when you're a "strategically important" country.

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                    • #40
                      On some days life is just good.

                      I love the reason why they didn't buy the nvs: because they don't provide free driver development. It seems the Chinese do know certain things well. I wish we had such decisions elsewhere in the world.
                      I hope the profit from the money will be spent onto AMD's free driver development! You listen, AMD folks, don't you?

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                      • #41
                        Indeed. AMD, how about hiring ten more devs?

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                        • #42
                          Interesting; this dovetails nicely with the rumours that AMD was looking to buy MIPS outright. Considering MIPS' current market cap is at about $350 million (up from $275-ish in early April), I could actually see this being a calculated move. After all, China are huge MIPS users and word on the street is they Don't Like Intel At All. More, it gives AMD some top-notch embedded engineering talent and lets them abandon ARM licensing for better-performing MIPS designs. They've got a process switch coming up anyway; why not switch arch on some lines, too? And again, Western companies have had a lot of trouble breaking into China and it's a very ripe market as people become more affluent over there.

                          Now, of course the above is all speculation, but I can easily envision an AMD of the near future that's extended the block paradigm of Bulldozer to various combinations of heterogenous cores. MIPS/ARM, amd64, and Radeon all on one wafer? It's just an eventuality if they want to remain relevant and it's something they've been pushing toward for a few years now. We shall see.

                          (Of course, we have to disclaim that the post itself is based on a rumour; nothing can be considered confirmed until there's a press release from AMD or the buyer.)

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                          • #43
                            Hmm, there was another reply from an NVIDIA employee.
                            Let's see where this is going:

                            http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pi...ne/000304.html

                            Edit: Sorry, wrong thread. :/
                            Last edited by entropy; 06-23-2012, 08:24 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by entropy View Post
                              Hmm, there's a reply from an NVIDIA employee.
                              Let's see where this is going:

                              http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pi...ne/000304.html
                              All nVidia need to do to match AMD/ATI is to release programming specifications for nVidia GPUs. That's it. It is incredibly simple. Why are nVidia (developers) even asking, they must surely know by now that this is what is required.

                              Programming specifications must exist, so it would cost nVidia nothing. Releasing programming specifications does not reveal any nVidia IP, since no-one can make a competing chip from programming specifications. Just ask AMD how many clones of their chips have turned up after AMD released programming specifications ... nada. If nVidia were to release programming specifications, the nouveau project could make their open source driver for Linux actually useful.

                              Then nVidia would not be in any danger of losing more and more deals such as this.

                              Where is the harm nVidia?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by hal2k1 View Post
                                All nVidia need to do to match AMD/ATI is to release programming specifications for nVidia GPUs. That's it. It is incredibly simple. Why are nVidia (developers) even asking, they must surely know by now that this is what is required.

                                Programming specifications must exist, so it would cost nVidia nothing. Releasing programming specifications does not reveal any nVidia IP, since no-one can make a competing chip from programming specifications. Just ask AMD how many clones of their chips have turned up after AMD released programming specifications ... nada. If nVidia were to release programming specifications, the nouveau project could make their open source driver for Linux actually useful.

                                Then nVidia would not be in any danger of losing more and more deals such as this.

                                Where is the harm nVidia?
                                I fully agree.
                                Still, I'm afraid I'm not relevant to their decisions.

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