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  • Nouveau Work On The Fermi Scripting Engine

    Phoronix: Nouveau Work On The Fermi Scripting Engine

    Supreet Pal Singh has provided an in-depth overview of his X.Org EVoC project for providing a Fermi scripting engine for the Nouveau driver that will allow for safe and dynamic GPU core / video memory re-clocking on modern NVIDIA GPUs...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTExMjI

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    i don't understand why we are wasting money on reverse engineering drivers. intel is more than enough for non-gaming. and I doubt linux will ever be a good gaming platform. just look at apple. it lacks many prime titles. and linux is at least 10 years behind in terms of a proper video stack. this is like training canadians in tennis, when we know that their energies will be better spent on hockey.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by garegin View Post
      i don't understand why we are wasting money on reverse engineering drivers. intel is more than enough for non-gaming. and I doubt linux will ever be a good gaming platform. just look at apple. it lacks many prime titles. and linux is at least 10 years behind in terms of a proper video stack. this is like training canadians in tennis, when we know that their energies will be better spent on hockey.
      secure-boot-UEFI will turn off all closed-source-linux-drivers.

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      • #4
        sorry for the noob question, but does this have to do with the fact that linux modules become part of the single kernel space blob, whereas in windows or osx there are linked in a different way. windows drivers run in kernel space also, so closed modules' problem with uefi is because the kernel is monolithic or for another reason?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by garegin View Post
          i don't understand why we are wasting money on reverse engineering drivers. intel is more than enough for non-gaming. and I doubt linux will ever be a good gaming platform. just look at apple. it lacks many prime titles. and linux is at least 10 years behind in terms of a proper video stack. this is like training canadians in tennis, when we know that their energies will be better spent on hockey.
          I'm sorry. Is someone spending your money?

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          • #6
            no its called a sense of empathy. you'd feel bad if a poor man is spending money on wallpaper when the roof is leaking

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            • #7
              Originally posted by garegin View Post
              no its called a sense of empathy. you'd feel bad if a poor man is spending money on wallpaper when the roof is leaking
              But Intel invests in its own driver. Nvidia does not support Nouveau. Doesn't it make sense for X.Org to do EVoCs for Nouveau more than for Intel?

              Or, you think everyone should focus solely on one piece of hardware?

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              • #8
                Hate to tell you...

                But games are big business. There is this little company probably few of you have ever heard of ... VALVE.... and they are releasing this thing called ... STEAM... For Linux. There must be some reason they are doing this.

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                • #9
                  "But Intel invests in its own driver. Nvidia does not support Nouveau. Doesn't it make sense for X.Org to do EVoCs for Nouveau more than for Intel?"

                  x.org makes a graphical system. writing drivers is not their job. they are taking funds that could go into making x.org better and paying money to write better drivers.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by garegin View Post
                    "But Intel invests in its own driver. Nvidia does not support Nouveau. Doesn't it make sense for X.Org to do EVoCs for Nouveau more than for Intel?"

                    x.org makes a graphical system. writing drivers is not their job. they are taking funds that could go into making x.org better and paying money to write better drivers.
                    Oh, goodness me. There's nothing I can do here.

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                    • #11
                      people who say that funding devs to support a company that has not been FOSS friendly have a point though.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                        people who say that funding devs to support a company that has not been FOSS friendly have a point though.
                        It's seriously about a bit bigger picture than that if Linux on desktop ever wants to succeed. It's important that at least all popular hardware is properly supported and NVIDIA graphics cards easily fall in that category. I should also note that if people didn't work on drivers for companies that themselves didn't support open source software Linux wouldn't be anywhere these days.

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                        • #13
                          and why is that. so one day we can play 3d games. any good game that is going to be released will be closed source. I don't see the point of making reverse engineered FOSS drivers (which will always suck balls, because you are working with your hands tied behind your back) so we can MAYBE, one day play those closed source games. you are talking about decades here. apple has a good system for games and it still lacks in titles. what makes you think that linux's position won't be any different.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by garegin View Post
                            and why is that. so one day we can play 3d games.
                            Not really. It's primarily to gain a reasonable amount of control over an important piece of hardware in your system. Like being able to control whether it uses 300W or 30W or 3W of power.

                            Other than "3d" for games you also want enough GPU power for modern desktop environments, multimedia/graphics applications, GPGPU, etc. Not to mention all the 2D rendering that is nowadays done with 3D engines.
                            For mainstream users most of the above a) should work out of the box and b) doesn't necessarily need all the speed and features of blob drivers.

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                            • #15
                              What is Mainstream?

                              Seriously. What is Mainstream? I am the local / family "IT" guy. When it is broke, i get the pieces with a "I will be back in ...say 30 minutes right??" Now, far too often it is internet surfing that is the root cause. That being said, quite a lot of those people "Game" to one degree or another. I admit some of them are only into the likes of Sudoku, Mahjong, or card card games. But quite a few have at least 1 or 2 FPS installed, or other things that are 3D dependant game wise. I get sick to death of hearing Linux ... *takes a deep breath*... people say "Oh boohoo on 3D only idiots or windows people play them!" BULL!!!!

                              Wake the HELL up please???? Games are big business. What you are linux so you are too proud to take a gamer's money?? What?? I am typing this from Fedora 17. I used to be a fairly hardcore gamer. Married with children changed that, but I do still have games on my computer that I enjoy playing. Ok, right at the moment I have been lazy since my upgrade to F17 and have not wrestled with Catalyst. Oh wait... I have an old 3870.... still... maybe it can work

                              I want to puke when I see Linux Devs say something like "oh its only 3D piss on them"...

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