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  • #16
    Even thought i find it nice the nouveau gets support i would prefer it if those money were given to state trackers or something like that.

    Also apart from EVoC X.org, freedesktop and the other foundations should start something like an FOSS infrastructure Kickstarter (ie name it Codestarter). People decide which features should be implemented/prioritized and donate to hire a dev or two. The basic infrastructure for FOSS Operating systems needs money.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by entropy View Post
      I couldn't agree more. Prioritized funding of reverse engineering projects, while there are other vendors that provide specs and still need additional man power, is definitely not the right sign IMHO.
      Were there any proposals for AMD/ATI power management that were rejected in favour of Nouveau? Without knowing that, you can't say that funding Nouveau was prioritized.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
        Were there any proposals for AMD/ATI power management that were rejected in favour of Nouveau? Without knowing that, you can't say that funding Nouveau was prioritized.
        Fair point. I don't know.

        Is there a listing of all proposals and which had been eventually accepted?
        Last edited by entropy; 05-25-2012, 11:36 AM.

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        • #19
          Slow down, guys.
          RTFA! The message quoted clearly explains that the problem with modern nvidia GPUs is the extremely low default frequencies. So low that it's not even good enough for a modern (=overblown) desktop environment. And it's likely getting worse with newer architectures. As much as we all hate nvidia, we can't ignore that.

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          • #20
            Nvidia and AMD both sucks

            Nvidia are assholes who refuse to support open source device drivers.
            But Nvidia cards work the best, the nouvou drivers are okay and the proprietary drivers are great (except lack of kernel mode setting).

            AMD is lazy and cant get out Catalyst drivers in time when there is a new X.org release. The result is that many distributions ship an old version of X.org because AMD is holding everyone back by being slow with the Catalyst drivers.

            Latest Nvidia and AMD cards both suck with the open source drivers.

            Meanwhile Intel is contributing the most to X.org and Wayland. Intel have open source device drivers with hardware support out even before the hardware is out.

            I won't buy AMD or Nvidia. Next time I'm going with Intel instead.

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            • #21
              The nouveau support is extremely frustrating

              Originally posted by not.sure View Post
              Slow down, guys.
              RTFA! The message quoted clearly explains that the problem with modern nvidia GPUs is the extremely low default frequencies. So low that it's not even good enough for a modern (=overblown) desktop environment. And it's likely getting worse with newer architectures. As much as we all hate nvidia, we can't ignore that.
              The same is true of the AMD iGPUs, although they at least have profiles setup you can switch between easily enough.

              It's frustrating to see all this support pour in to nvidia hardware instead of AMD hardware, when you look at the OSS stances those companies have taken.

              But ultimately, the key to OSS is that developers get to choose whatever they want to work on, so I guess we all just have to live with the fact that a bunch of these developers like nvidia hardware more than the competition.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                Latest Nvidia and AMD cards both suck with the open source drivers.
                My experience says otherwise. My Radeon 6850 works just fine using r600g, and worked just fine before the SI series was introduced. Clock speeds are controllable via profiles, suspend works, GL is sitting around 3.0 (just missing some multi-sample things), and it's very stable.

                I don't spend much time gaming in Linux (I've got a win7 parittion for that), but I'll be happy when the OpenCL support stabilizes and I can swear off fglrx permanently.

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                • #23
                  If Nouveau don't work satisfactory I can always use the proprietary Nvidia drivers.

                  If the open source AMD drivers doesn't work satisfactory I have to use fglrx which isn't as good as their Windows drivers or as Nvidia's proprietary drivers, and always lags months or weeks after X.org releases.

                  Nvidia is always faster than AMD to update their driver for the latest X.org releases.

                  Also, Nvidia have better hardware-accelerated video decoding support with VDPAU.
                  I heard video decoding on AMD sucks, so it's not good for porno.

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                  • #24
                    For my needs, I pretty much prefer nVIDIA hardware to AMD or Intel, so having a FOSS driver being worked on is awesome for the ones who like to keep their system as "clean" as possible of blobs but at the same time, have some degree of practical choice is simply nice not only for those in the community, but for potential members (no, we won't be putting more free software out there if we keep these stupid attitude of closing doors)

                    We can't play the childish and personal games that some people propose by saying "How about, in a few years, Open Source friendly companies having kick-ass drivers and hostile companies having bad/mediocare drivers." which is no more than just cute and ignores the existence of privative drivers. That pretty much resumes to "fuck you", an irrelevant "fuck you" given the actual scenario.

                    So we need some coherence, and having a clean-room reverse engineered driver that generates the not-released-docs is a clear and elegant example of how keeping the docs needed for making the drivers hidden, is merely a useless and obsolete policy for a GPU maker company ... if we reach some kind of feature parity we can actually pressure more with that than with any other thing.
                    That's my honest opinion

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                      always lags months or weeks after X.org releases.
                      http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...589#post260589

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
                        Reading that post one may be lead to believe that the AMD fglrx/Catalyst drivers are much more stable and less buggy than the Nvidia counterpart.

                        My understanding is that in reality, it is quite the opposite.
                        The Nvidia drivers are very stable and bug-free, while people have issues with the buggy AMD driver.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                          The Nvidia drivers are very stable and bug-free, while people have issues with the buggy AMD driver.
                          Do you ever read Linux part of nvnews forum?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
                            Do you ever read Linux part of nvnews forum?
                            Admittedly rarely.
                            But have you ever read amdnews?
                            Oh wait, there isn't such a site!

                            On nvnews there are Nvidia employees which read any bugs you post and actually fixes them.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                              Admittedly rarely.
                              So, what about "bug-free" nVidia driver?

                              Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                              But have you ever read amdnews?
                              Oh wait, there isn't such a site!

                              On nvnews there are Nvidia employees which read any bugs you post and actually fixes them.
                              http://emailcustomercare.amd.com
                              http://ati.cchtml.com
                              http://www.amd.com/us/LinuxCrewSurvey

                              Not enough?
                              Last edited by RussianNeuroMancer; 05-26-2012, 08:16 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Okay, so there are sites for AMD.

                                But isn't it still so that Nvidia drivers are faster, more stable, less buggy and better in every way than AMD drivers?

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