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  • #61
    Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
    kwin really seems to have had issues...

    Was it for you really unstable with gnome? Because on my HD 4550 and 4650 I have played warcraft3 in wine for a rather long time with r600c and now r600g...
    I pretty much never tried gnome. I just noticed a lot of gnome users not having problems, wondering what was wrong with my setup, or me.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by HangFire View Post
      I pretty much never tried gnome. I just noticed a lot of gnome users not having problems, wondering what was wrong with my setup, or me.
      AFAIK none of the dev use KDE and we got report that for some reason KDE sux on the open driver, dunno why, it does somethings differently and hit a path in the driver that we give little love to.

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      • #63
        I'm sorry to hear that none of the AMD OSS driver writers use KDE, but I'm not surprised, either. After the KDE 3 to 4 debacle (releasing KDE 4 in major distros with major functionality missing), KDE simply doesn't have the following it used to. Their timing in introducing fancy special desktop transition effects at the same time major functionality was missing didn't endear many, either. It gave the impression that their priorities were all wrong.

        Taking on all comers in the blogosphere when anyone dared complain didn't help, either.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by HangFire View Post
          I'm sorry to hear that none of the AMD OSS driver writers use KDE, but I'm not surprised, either.
          He was talking in jest.

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          • #65
            the nouveau drivers never worked for me

            i have an nvidia 8400gs... bought it from a guy , was silent, i change it , mounted a fan...etc... the point is, in windows its working perfect. games, everything...in linux, with both nv driver or NVIDIA driver is working like a charm. even vesa. but nouveau .. it wont boot.the boot screen is working(plymouth) but X wont.. it is remaining black every distro i tryied is doing the samei tryed many distros (mostly ubuntu), since they make the switch to nouveau.none worked. greetings from Romania

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            • #66
              Originally posted by lolren View Post
              every distro i tryied is doing the samei tryed many distros (mostly ubuntu), since they make the switch to nouveau.none worked. greetings from Romania
              openSUSE 11.4 comes with the 2.6.37 kernel which should offer better hardware support than the current Ubuntu kernel. Also, Fedora usually has good hardware support. Have you tried any of those?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by lolren View Post
                i have an nvidia 8400gs... bought it from a guy , was silent, i change it , mounted a fan...etc... the point is, in windows its working perfect. games, everything...in linux, with both nv driver or NVIDIA driver is working like a charm. even vesa. but nouveau .. it wont boot.the boot screen is working(plymouth) but X wont.. it is remaining black every distro i tryied is doing the samei tryed many distros (mostly ubuntu), since they make the switch to nouveau.none worked. greetings from Romania
                Why don't you come on #nouveau (freenode) and tell us about it ?

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                • #68
                  yes, but .. the same

                  Originally posted by devius View Post
                  openSUSE 11.4 comes with the 2.6.37 kernel which should offer better hardware support than the current Ubuntu kernel. Also, Fedora usually has good hardware support. Have you tried any of those?
                  tryed them both, same effect

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by MPF View Post
                    Why don't you come on #nouveau (freenode) and tell us about it ?
                    i will, soon as i have a little free time... maybe tommorow

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                      He was talking in jest.
                      He also failed to use a smiley.

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                      • #71
                        Strange that other people have so much problems with this chip, while it works fine at me, with all distros I have tried. Or are the 8400M GS and the 8400 GS very different?

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                        • #72
                          Of course, opensource 3d drivers from the community for nvidia gpus are a very nice work. But comparisons about nvidia official driver VS. opensource community nvidia drivers posted on this site is fake and lie.

                          Results are deliberately distorted. To compare the drivers, the article writers searched games where the opensource drivers are not blooding out so mutch (rare games, mostly with very old rendering pipelines). In reality, official nvidia drivers are 10-30x faster than the opensource nv drivers, just go and try a more realible software with for example doom3engine: like prey the last call, chronicles of riddick, doom3 itself, or try different new graphics engines like maker3d, or unigine, and see the results with your own eyes. DO NOT BELIVE this fake results you have readed in these articles.

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                          • #73
                            You say that they are faster than nv. But nv is not Nouveau. nv is worse.

                            Nouveau is not bad at all. Visit a random Linux forum and you will see many threads about people having problems installing the NVidia driver. I have helped some people installing Nouveau 3D on the Linux Mint forum, for using Compiz, and they're happy with it.

                            It lacks auto-detect of 2nd screens on my 8400M GS. That's the main reason why I don't use the binary driver anymore. And, I had to reinstall it every 2 weeks to keep my webcam working. 'Failed to capture image' showed up if I did not reinstall the graphics driver every 2 weeks. Compiz, KWin and my 2nd screen work so for me Nouveau is the best driver.

                            And why on earth should you need framerates of more than your screen's refresh rate?
                            Last edited by AlbertP; 05-23-2011, 03:24 AM.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by AlbertP View Post
                              It lacks auto-detect of 2nd screens on my 8400M GS. That's the main reason why I don't use the binary driver anymore.
                              Seconded.

                              And why on earth should you need framerates of more than your screen's refresh rate?
                              E-penis enlargement, mainly.

                              Back in the olden days, the drivers didn't even offer an option to disable vsync. Then benchmarks came and disabling vsync was the easiest way to make themselves look better than the competition.

                              Benchmarks should answer one simple question: given a specific game, what is the highest resolution that runs full speed with all display options enabled (i.e. 60fps for >80% of time)? Everything else is fluff.

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                              • #75
                                What I meant to say is that there's also a side where Nouveau beats NVidia.

                                The driver is very reliable, if it works once, it also works a second time. This can't be said from NVidia: it often fails to install, on the same system where it once installed successfully. And it can suddenly stop working OK. If you don't need advanced 3D or very heavy games, then Nouveau is often the best way (if your distro includes 3D support like Fedora 15 or an easy installer for Nouveau 3D like Linux Mint 11).

                                It is not true that the binary driver is always better. That's what I want to make clear. I admit that it has some good things, and for some people it's the best solution, but the blob being closed-source is not the only reason you could have for using Nouveau.

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